Atlanta slips in attracting newcomers as domestic migration slows (Columbus: real estate, new home)

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by 3rdbass

So your anecdotal evidence is the precedent for everyone in Atlanta no matter their field of work and expertise. LOL!

Nope and don't put words in my mouth. I never said that my experience should trump everyone's experience. To pretend as if everyone is benefiting from staying in Atlanta is delusional. You are being far too sensitive and should be open to what people are saying. Did you even read all my posts on this thread? I go on other city's threads and the people are far more receptive to the good and bad about their city. Atlanta posters just want to hear the good.

[3rdbass]

Originally Posted by DreamerD

Nope and don't put words in my mouth. I never said that my experience should trump everyone's experience. To pretend as if everyone is benefiting from staying in Atlanta is delusional. You are being far too sensitive and should be open to what people are saying. Did you even read all my posts on this thread? I go on other city's threads and the people are far more receptive to the good and bad about their city. Atlanta posters just want to hear the good.

Yes, i read them but also have been to other cities that are really losing people. Atlanta is not in a steady decline like some of the debbie downers want to state. We are still very strong with jobs from Delta, UPS, Coke, Home Depot and Cox. People making Atlanta into a wasteland because we will lose Suntrust(not all operations) and maybe Turner are making the issue bigger than it is. Just because we aren't San Franciso, Chicago, DC, NYC or LA doesn't mean Atlanta still isn't strong in attracting jobs here.

[Soccernerd]

There are few of the big corporate relocations taking place in Atlanta. There have been some high profile companies that have downsized Atlanta operations or have left entirely. This is only a very recent occurrence (as in the last 6 months or so), but I’d say there’s some uncertainty in the national economy right now. Retail is really hurting and that’s hurting lower income families.

I think we're at capacity. Unless jobs start moving into the southern metro and there’s a rapid increase in density ITP and maybe some of the nodes close in, there will be only be moderate or flat growth. Atlanta is dependent on tradional "old school" jobs such as avation and telecommunications where growth is flat.

[citidata18]

Originally Posted by Soccernerd

There are few of the big corporate relocations taking place in Atlanta. There have been some high profile companies that have downsized Atlanta operations or have left entirely. This is only a very recent occurrence (as in the last 6 months or so), but I’d say there’s some uncertainty in the national economy right now. Retail is really hurting and that’s hurting lower income families.

I think we're at capacity. Unless jobs start moving into the southern metro and there’s a rapid increase in density ITP and maybe some of the nodes close in, there will be only be moderate or flat growth. Atlanta is dependent on tradional "old school" jobs such as avation and telecommunications where growth is flat.

And logistics, in which the jobs are low wage and most suspectible to automation over the next decade.

Health care could become a bigger thing though if the CON law is repealed .

[markjames68]

Originally Posted by DreamerD

Nope and don't put words in my mouth. I never said that my experience should trump everyone's experience. To pretend as if everyone is benefiting from staying in Atlanta is delusional. You are being far too sensitive and should be open to what people are saying. Did you even read all my posts on this thread? I go on other city's threads and the people are far more receptive to the good and bad about their city. Atlanta posters just want to hear the good.

Check the Long Island NY forum. Mostly complaints about taxes, permitting, etc.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by 3rdbass

Yes, i read them but also have been to other cities that are really losing people. Atlanta is not in a steady decline like some of the debbie downers want to state. We are still very strong with jobs from Delta, UPS, Coke, Home Depot and Cox. People making Atlanta into a wasteland because we will lose Suntrust(not all operations) and maybe Turner are making the issue bigger than it is. Just because we aren't San Franciso, Chicago, DC, NYC or LA doesn't mean Atlanta still isn't strong in attracting jobs here.

I don't think you read all my posts or read them properly. A few of my posts were asking if the situation was that dire and what makes it dire because I was trying to learn. Another post was maybe Atlanta will slow down a bit but I'm pretty sure other cities will too because nothing can go up forever and that this for all we know may be a short-term thing versus long-term. I then commented on someone having to move out of GA to get a decent paying job and related to them that I had to do the same except the money was obviously a lot less than his; I did what I had to do instead of sit here and complain about not being able to find a job. None of this indicated that my opinion was better/held precedent than anyone else's and my comments weren't being extremely negative and/or being so negative so as to ignore all the positive. Just like all cities, there is good and bad. People will stay here for this and that reason and people will leave for this and that reason.



I try not to compare Atlanta to New York or any of those other cities and so I still don't get why you wrote what you wrote. I may leave Atlanta and it would be because of job opportunities partly BUT the main reasons are rather personal. I didn't put the latter because it doesn't relate to this thread at all and it's not something I wish to share. I'm pretty sure there are those leaving the big cities you mentioned for job opportunities. That's just the nature of the beast. You have to go where the jobs are.

[DreamerD]

Originally Posted by markjames68

Check the Long Island NY forum. Mostly complaints about taxes, permitting, etc.

I haven't checked that one before and not sure I will. Most of the people on these threads are pretty educated and/or at least mid-career. Most can move and I know moving isn't cheap but if their situation is that bad, then they should consider moving. I came here as a kid and so I i didn't have a choice and I couldn't move out of the state because I couldn't afford to work and go to school at the same time where I wanted to move to...I didn't have anyone I could stay with either. Their situation is different.



Just like people here leave the state for whatever reason, they should leave their state if they are unhappy with how their lives are going. A lot of New Yorkers have moved to the Metro Atlanta area and so maybe they need to pay a visit. If the South isn't their thing, then maybe they can try Chicago. I dunno I just hate seeing people who complain and can make changes in their lives but choose not to.

[JoeP]

Year Population % Total Pop. Births Deaths Int'l Net Domestic
----- ----------- Change Change ------- ------ Migration Migration

2004 4,659,574 1.90% 87,033 76,816 28,489 21,876 32,292
2005 4,770,870 2.39% 111,296 77,957 27,977 22,772 51,623
2006 4,931,848 3.37% 160,978 81,200 28,950 23,022 99,701
2007 5,066,356 2.73% 134,508 83,793 29,435 20,841 72,416
2008 5,170,099 2.05% 103,743 83,829 30,696 20,229 44,746
2009 5,240,828 1.37% 70,729 83,243 31,744 20,302 17,540
2010 5,286,728 0.88% 45,900 18,140 7,720 3,758 2,099
2011 5,373,016 1.63% 86,288 73,829 32,052 16,196 11,531
2012 5,451,561 1.46% 78,545 72,546 31,378 15,957 21,137
2013 5,517,034 1.20% 65,473 71,144 33,663 15,858 12,005
2014 5,605,117 1.60% 88,083 72,496 34,076 17,960 31,800
2015 5,702,331 1.73% 97,214 73,722 36,003 20,107 39,452
2016 5,795,723 1.64% 93,392 73,664 37,668 20,520 36,857
2017 5,884,736 1.54% 89,013 73,810 38,540 20,451 33,288

I can't get this to format cleanly, but these are the components of change for the metro over the last several years.

[Beretta]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Year Population % Total Pop. Births Deaths Int'l Net Domestic
----- ----------- Change Change ------- ------ Migration Migration

2004 4,659,574 1.90% 87,033 76,816 28,489 21,876 32,292
2005 4,770,870 2.39% 111,296 77,957 27,977 22,772 51,623
2006 4,931,848 3.37% 160,978 81,200 28,950 23,022 99,701
2007 5,066,356 2.73% 134,508 83,793 29,435 20,841 72,416
2008 5,170,099 2.05% 103,743 83,829 30,696 20,229 44,746
2009 5,240,828 1.37% 70,729 83,243 31,744 20,302 17,540
2010 5,286,728 0.88% 45,900 18,140 7,720 3,758 2,099
2011 5,373,016 1.63% 86,288 73,829 32,052 16,196 11,531
2012 5,451,561 1.46% 78,545 72,546 31,378 15,957 21,137
2013 5,517,034 1.20% 65,473 71,144 33,663 15,858 12,005
2014 5,605,117 1.60% 88,083 72,496 34,076 17,960 31,800
2015 5,702,331 1.73% 97,214 73,722 36,003 20,107 39,452
2016 5,795,723 1.64% 93,392 73,664 37,668 20,520 36,857
2017 5,884,736 1.54% 89,013 73,810 38,540 20,451 33,288

I can't get this to format cleanly, but these are the components of change for the metro over the last several years.

Try attaching it as a file.

[ATLTJL]

I would argue that attracting and retaining Fortune 500 companies is incredibly important to any city's economic prosperity.

I know everyone thinks the startups and entrepreneurs fuel growth in places like San Francisco. There's no doubt that is true. However, I don't think many people move to an area to work with a startup. It's just too risky. You may work with one in the town you already live in, but the companies that were really core to attracting people from the East Coast and other places to come live and work in San Francisco were (and are) the Apples, Oracles, Facebooks, Googles, etc.

Yeah, some of those people will leave those roles to work for startups. And their kids who call SF home will do it. But I don't think very many people with good experience and jobs in New York, Boston, etc. are going to move across the country to work for some unproven startup that is probably going to fail within two years. And for a city like Atlanta...where the failure rate is probably higher, and the startups are definitely less sexy... probably have a much smaller draw for people to move here for. I don't even know that they have the resources to try to recruit from outside the area.