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View Poll Results: Will Cobb and Gwinnett get MARTA?
Yes they will fairly soon 13 34.21%
Yes but not for a very long time 16 42.11%
No they never will 9 23.68%
Voters: 38. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-26-2019, 10:53 PM
 
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With the vote's in these counties repetedly failing one has to wonder if MARTA will ever make it to these counties. Both counties are text book examples of suburban sprawl, and MARTA could help those who work downtown. Even those who claim they wouldn't use it might end up using it more than they thought. What is it that keeps people voting now? Is it the cost, the fear of increase crime or are the proposals just really bad? I do find it shocking how low the voter turnout has been for these referendum's.
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Old 04-26-2019, 11:58 PM
 
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This latest vote in Gwinnett was purposely scheduled as a stand alone election by the powers that be, it was designed to fail. Had the vote been last Fall in the general election, it would have passed comfortably.

I'm convinced it will pass eventually, but it's WAY past time for the State to step up. This includes the shameful way we had to return the Federal seed money to launch Commuter Rail to Clayton County.

I'm also convinced Cobb will come on board as
well, if it's a targeted vote aimed at the 75 corridor.
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Old 04-27-2019, 12:01 AM
 
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I hope so.
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Old 04-27-2019, 12:03 AM
 
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This latest vote in Gwinnett was purposely scheduled as a stand alone election by the powers that be, it was designed to fail. Had the vote been last Fall in the general election, it would have passed comfortably.

I'm convinced it will pass eventually, but it's WAY past time for the State to step up. This includes the shameful way we had to return the Federal seed money to launch Commuter Rail to Clayton County.

I'm also convinced Cobb will come on board as
well, if it's a targeted vote aimed at the 75 corridor.
This.
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Old 04-27-2019, 12:10 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I hope so.
Same here, brother aires.

Imagine the impact if the State would implement the already in place Commuter Rail plans and the MMPT. Coupled with the renaissance happening in South Downtown, it would be amazingly transformative.
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Old 04-27-2019, 05:27 AM
 
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The bigger question is, who cares?

I mean, the MARTA vote for Gwinnett allowed for rail to Jimmy Carter Blvd. That's basically a 4 mile extension. That's it. There was also the POSSIBILITY of an extension to Gwinnett Place Mall... WITHIN 30 YEARS! Maybe.

So now something like that can't pass until next year, at the very earliest, which is unlikely. So that could bring a train to Gwinnett Place when? 2050? Too little, too late. That train has left the station.

Suburban counties in Atlanta are banking on some solution other than MARTA. I guess they think self-driving cars are going to solve their problems. Maybe they think flying cars are around the corner. In either case, they're dead wrong.
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Old 04-27-2019, 06:52 AM
 
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The thing I would like to see, wouldn't take many years and wouldn't require any construction. That is, the total consolidation and synergy of all the various public transit that we already do have running in the region, into one single, fresh, new ATL system that can operate anywhere within 13 counties without all this nonsense about crossing county lines, and its level of service in each county is then just a question of the level of transit funding in that county- which is something that I'm sure Cobb and Gwinnett at some point soon will be ready to increase, at least to some degree. But, let's be clear, they do have some transit now- in Cobb we're about to have 7-day bus service. The Cumberland area has better transit than some of the MARTA areas like Johns Creek, and we also have a couple of MARTA routes operating in Cobb, one for Cumberland and I think there's one that goes to Six Flags.

I'm just so tired of all the culture war stuff. I would like to focus on unity and transportation. And I'm starting to be more and more convinced that, however unfairly, MARTA as a brand is not the way to move forward with that goal, in this region.

I think the sooner we retire the brand MARTA, the sooner the region will just be talking about transit, which is the point. I say let's take away the option of MARTA or no MARTA. All the metro's transit everything really just needs to be consumed into one system and one operator, with the ATL brand and identity, and then each county can look at funding and services however they want to play it. But it takes away all this political hot-button culture identity race vs race, ITP vs OTP, county vs county, total BS divisive crap that has held this region back for too long, that should be united, just like Atlanta United.

Anyway, that's just, become my opinion at this point. I don't care about Gwinnett, they're a bunch of idiots. But I wish them well, maybe they'll figure that vote out again at some point soon. Cobb, I think it might have to wait until 2022, but I think we'll be funding more transit, with some kind of link to SunTrust Park and Paces Ferry/Home Depot HQ area, at least a bus rapid transit line, maybe a light rail.

Have no idea what the heck is going on with commuter rail- I still think that would be great and I don't understand why we can't figure it out and just do it. It would link all the historic areas of Cobb and Gwinnett, that actually have the density and walkability that complements transit. All this talk about transit on the freeways and the suburban car-sprawl areas, why don't we forget that and focus on linking together all the downtowns of the region, which there are a lot- it could be a really nice network. That would also be a way for everyone to come together and honor our history together, since that's exactly how Atlanta and its satellite towns came to be. And we'd be improving transportation options and connectivity while at it.

I just think that MARTA as the brand of that is like forcing something on the OTP counties that they've been resistant to. It's not about whether their resistance is warranted, they're not comfortable with MARTA. So IMO let's just retire that name and focus on a transit that doesn't have any kind of cultural baggage one way or another, and with that we can unify things.
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Old 04-27-2019, 06:54 AM
 
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Well technically MARTA already goes to Cobb but I'm assuming we're talking about rail and not buses. The only way at this point to have any type of passenger rail to the suburban counties anytime in the near future is if the private sector stepped up. Florida is making it look too easy with the Brightline (now Virgin Trains USA), and the Tokyo area.
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Old 04-27-2019, 06:57 AM
 
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I think you make a really excellent point.

It may not be right and it may not be fair, but the MARTA brand is probably irreparable. The sooner we dump it, the better. To improve the brand, all we really need to do is get a new name, a new logo, and give the stations some minor and inexpensive, but much needed, cosmetic facelifts.
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Old 04-27-2019, 07:14 AM
 
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Well technically MARTA already goes to Cobb but I'm assuming we're talking about rail and not buses. The only way at this point to have any type of passenger rail to the suburban counties anytime in the near future is if the private sector stepped up. Florida is making it look too easy with the Brightline (now Virgin Trains USA), and the Tokyo area.
I totally agree. Let's get private commuter rail going on the lines, that wouldn't require taxes and referendums. The fare may be higher, but it would be a comfy, smooth ride, and it's still $0 if you don't ride.

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It may not be right and it may not be fair, but the MARTA brand is probably irreparable. The sooner we dump it, the better. To improve the brand, all we really need to do is get a new name, a new logo, and give the stations some minor and inexpensive, but much needed, cosmetic facelifts.
Yep. And I think we have that with ATL. It needs to be our go-forward.

MARTA as a brand had a great run, and it will always be a part of our history, that we can be really proud of. Those glory days when it first got started and built the train lines, that was something great for Atlanta.

And MARTA would still continue on, behind the scenes administratively as the operations entity running ATL.
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