U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 07-03-2019, 11:07 AM
 
Location: St Simons Island, GA
23,035 posts, read 34,995,637 times
Reputation: 15172

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by aries4118 View Post
KingKanye,
Why are you zeroing in and erroneously going after Iconographer?
It is derailing the thread.
For the same reason Savaranola burned books.

 
Old 07-03-2019, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Macon, GA
1,173 posts, read 1,571,176 times
Reputation: 1343
Regardless of the man's view of the flag, as a business owner it is typically in your best financial interests to avoid controversial displays while at work. Displaying your religious beliefs, position on current affairs (politicians, abortion, immigration, etc) is just foolish in most cases.

As a gay man, if somebody with a "support traditional marriage" bumper sticker were to show up at my house then I would probably send them away as well. Do I think that all people who disagree with my marriage are evil or bigoted...no. I also know I will go out of my way to avoid giving money to people who actively work against me---and driving around with that symbol/sticker, etc does that.

I have no doubt that contractors who have worked on my home have held beliefs such as my marriage is unacceptable, HOWEVER they have never said so or displayed inappropriate behavior or symbols. That is smart business. There is a time and place for such discussions, but the workplace or client/customer site isn't it.
 
Old 07-03-2019, 11:29 AM
 
59 posts, read 13,899 times
Reputation: 82
nm
 
Old 07-03-2019, 01:12 PM
 
13,560 posts, read 22,014,906 times
Reputation: 4587
Quote:
Originally Posted by bu2 View Post
While many on this board and the KKK may view it as a racist symbol, there was a survey after Charlottsville that showed that 2/3 of Americans did not.
2/3 of white Americans.
 
Old 07-03-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
13,724 posts, read 9,836,437 times
Reputation: 9839
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mutiny77 View Post
Like who?
https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunder...k-confederates
Evidence that Prof. Ervin L. Jordan, Jr., amassed for his landmark study, Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia (1995), suggests that individual African Americans serving with Confederate armies occasionally participated in battle. Whether they did so for self-defense, loyalty to a master or friend, or commitment to the Confederacy is not clear. Although many scholars contend that no people would ever willingly fight to perpetuate their own enslavement, Jordan argues that an un-measurable minority of men were “zealots of the wrong,” and that students of history should try to understand those men, even if we disapprove of their decisions.
It would appear that "defending involuntary servitude" does happen, as in the case of socialist and collectivist regimes.
 
Old 07-03-2019, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Columbus, GA
772 posts, read 301,293 times
Reputation: 522
Quote:
Originally Posted by aries4118 View Post
2/3 of white Americans.


Not even that.

2/3 of working-class white Americans.

College educated whites view it as racist 49/42.

Here's the survey in question: https://www.prri.org/spotlight/white...-pride-racism/
 
Old 07-03-2019, 02:25 PM
 
20,077 posts, read 11,137,874 times
Reputation: 20120
Quote:
Originally Posted by jetgraphics View Post
https://acwm.org/blog/myths-misunder...k-confederates
Evidence that Prof. Ervin L. Jordan, Jr., amassed for his landmark study, Black Confederates and Afro-Yankees in Civil War Virginia (1995), suggests that individual African Americans serving with Confederate armies occasionally participated in battle. Whether they did so for self-defense, loyalty to a master or friend, or commitment to the Confederacy is not clear. Although many scholars contend that no people would ever willingly fight to perpetuate their own enslavement, Jordan argues that an un-measurable minority of men were “zealots of the wrong,” and that students of history should try to understand those men, even if we disapprove of their decisions.
It would appear that "defending involuntary servitude" does happen, as in the case of socialist and collectivist regimes.
You didn't think anyone else would read the article?

Quote:
But were African American laborers in the Confederate army formally enlisted in the army, equipped with uniforms, arms, and accoutrements, and paid for their own work, as were African Americans in the U.S. Army? No. Their status was that of enslaved or marginally free laborers serving in capacities in a military setting analogous to their roles in civilian life. Referring to such men as “soldiers” ignores a fundamental distinction between forced labor and military service.

However, even before the last months of the Civil War, there were African Americans in Confederate armies who met some of those customary criteria to be soldiers. Beginning in 1862, the Confederate army formally enlisted hundreds of cooks and musicians; those men were paid, but almost certainly not armed or uniformed.

In March 1865, the Confederate Congress passed a law providing for the formal enlistment of African-American soldiers. When the Confederate army implemented the law it required masters to recognize slaves’ freedom before they could enlist. Not surprisingly, recruitment was slow. Possibly a few hundred men enlisted before Appomattox. Some of those men drilled on Richmond’s Capitol Square shortly before the Confederates evacuated the city, and apparently some traveled with Lee’s army and were involved in the Appomattox Campaign.
In fact, nobody, not even Ervin L. Jordan has produced evidence of a Confederate unit that had slaves fighting in it.
 
Old 07-03-2019, 02:59 PM
 
493 posts, read 253,599 times
Reputation: 639
[quote=JayHey;55579005]Not even that.

2/3 of working-class white Americans.

College educated whites view it as racist 49/42.

Here's the survey in question: [url]https://www.prri.org/spotlight/white-working-class-americans-confederate-flag-southern-pride-racism/[/url

Yeah now that makes sense. There is no way that 2/3 of ALL Americans in 2019 don’t view that flag as racist. It very much is.
 
Old 07-03-2019, 03:08 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
13,632 posts, read 8,554,879 times
Reputation: 19837
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingKanye View Post
Good to see this happen and that black people are fighting back against white racists. Sad that it had to happen in our area..............
I belong to the group who believes it was staged. All the reasons already have been presented. Odd that the 'general contractor' did not have a sign, backed into a strange driveway, and his truck started before he got in. Looks to me like it was staged to show the Confederate Flag in full view of the camera as he drove off. Odd that I have not seen the Confederate Flag flown like that in many years, and that this 'general contractor' felt so strongly about The Confederacy that he flew a monster flag, but volunteered to 'take it down' when he found resistance. Like he had never found 'resistance' until that very moment.
Those who believe the video was real should attach a flag like that to their own vehicle and then drive around. You may find out why no one flies those flags anymore.

But assuming the confrontation was 'real' in what way did she do her part to convince this particular man that racism was wrong-headed? She didn't. She just drove the problem underground.
 
Old 07-03-2019, 03:25 PM
bu2
 
9,964 posts, read 6,422,293 times
Reputation: 4148
Quote:
Originally Posted by Listener2307 View Post
I belong to the group who believes it was staged. All the reasons already have been presented. Odd that the 'general contractor' did not have a sign, backed into a strange driveway, and his truck started before he got in. Looks to me like it was staged to show the Confederate Flag in full view of the camera as he drove off. Odd that I have not seen the Confederate Flag flown like that in many years, and that this 'general contractor' felt so strongly about The Confederacy that he flew a monster flag, but volunteered to 'take it down' when he found resistance. Like he had never found 'resistance' until that very moment.
Those who believe the video was real should attach a flag like that to their own vehicle and then drive around. You may find out why no one flies those flags anymore.

But assuming the confrontation was 'real' in what way did she do her part to convince this particular man that racism was wrong-headed? She didn't. She just drove the problem underground.
If it was staged, they probably would have made the contractor more obnoxious. I wouldn't expect people who go to the trouble to stage things to have a nuanced view where they could make the guy anything other than evil.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Options
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2016 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Georgia > Atlanta
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top