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Old 07-04-2019, 01:33 PM
 
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I do have to admit though that I am extremely shocked to see something like this being set up in Atlanta. South Georgia I could see, Texas I could see, but Atlanta is fairly diverse and open ... I mean yeah it's a federal move but ...why did they choose Atlanta to host this ?

 
Old 07-04-2019, 01:43 PM
 
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I do have to admit though that I am extremely shocked to see something like this being set up in Atlanta. South Georgia I could see, Texas I could see, but Atlanta is fairly diverse and open ... I mean yeah it's a federal move but ...why did they choose Atlanta to host this ?
One reason is likely the airport, but another reason could be that they won't get much (if any) resistance putting such a "facility" in parts of the SW Metro.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 01:54 PM
 
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Yeah, exactly... because everyone knows our constitution is exceedingly effective at stopping corruption from our political powers.

Regardless of the intents of migrants entering illegally, setting them up in concentration camps is purely inhumane and treating children like literal animals is absolutely mortifying. Both of which already violate our human rights clauses within our constitution. What is really pissing me off about this is alot of these people who are supporting this are also religious and doing it in his mighty name and it plainly disgusts me.
Seems like AOC and her ilk are getting the message out. What about the priests who said they didn’t see what was reported and that many of the so-called observers didn’t even see the entire facility before reporting?

But let’s assume it is true, and I agree people should be humanely treated no matter what their immigration status.

These are “unaccompanied migrant” children. No adult has taken them over or claimed them, so where do they go?

What would you recommend?

It is now trending towards 800,000 people coming in illegally a year. Are you willing to take one or two in? How about everyone else here?
 
Old 07-04-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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One reason is likely the airport, but another reason could be that they won't get much (if any) resistance putting such a "facility" in parts of the SW Metro.
noted...although I hope a strong resistance turns this away, that will really mortify the idea of Atlanta's cosmopolitan nature.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 02:02 PM
 
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Seems like AOC and her ilk are getting the message out. What about the priests who said they didn’t see what was reported and that many of the so-called observers didn’t even see the entire facility before reporting?

But let’s assume it is true, and I agree people should be humanely treated no matter what their immigration status.

These are “unaccompanied migrant” children. No adult has taken them over or claimed them, so where do they go?

What would you recommend?

It is now trending towards 800,000 people coming in illegally a year. Are you willing to take one or two in? How about everyone else here?
Sending them back would be futile as they would likely re-attempt and it wastes tax dollars, but so would keeping them in a prison...I mean, all you guys are happy and giddy about that but have you fully assessed that WE ARE PAYING FOR THAT ASWELL?

I'd rather see my tax dollars turn them into something productive rather than paying for virtually - another prison of which nothing productive can be made of it. They're children - do they truly have the mental means of reasoning to understand the gravity of crossing the border aside from the hope of a better future?

There has to be a better way to enslaving them into camps - Most times migrants cross - they take jobs most Americans do not want anyway. I have not seen a recession started because of too many immigrants or illegal migrants entering this nation. I HAVE seen recessions caused by ridiculous political moves by our own government however.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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Sending them back would be futile as they would likely re-attempt and it wastes tax dollars, but so would keeping them in a prison.

I'd rather see my tax dollars turn them into something productive rather than paying for virtually - another prison of which nothing productive can be made of it. They're children - do they truly have the mental means of reasoning to understand the gravity of crossing the border aside from the hope of a better future?
Ok, so you will take one in and raise him/her? If not, who? Multiply by many thousands.

If we accept them in will that curb or encourage future seekers?

Would a physical barrier prevent re-entry?

Who put them on the path to come to the US? Most came over 1000 miles.

I agree the idea of housing them in the area is silly.

I also understand people want to come here for a better life, but we have laws and a process for a reason. Asylum claims are being abused. Even Canadians are fed up and want less refugees entering Canada.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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haha! As our Fearless Leader rolls tanks down our National Mall and politicizes an American holiday.

As Trump tells his staff to not show up for subpoenas and not cooperate.

He blatantly ignores our Constitution and you seem just fine with it. Checks and balances don't work when you have a dictator as President and a Republican Senate too corrupt to call him out for his usurpation of shared powers.

So it is happening here, but wrapped up in the flag and carrying a cross instead of a swastika.

We live in a fascist state right now.
If you don’t see the difference between Nazi Germany and the current government then there’s no way any logical person could change your viewpoint. Have a pleasant Independence Day.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 02:15 PM
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Seems like AOC and her ilk are getting the message out. What about the priests who said they didn’t see what was reported and that many of the so-called observers didn’t even see the entire facility before reporting?

But let’s assume it is true, and I agree people should be humanely treated no matter what their immigration status.

These are “unaccompanied migrant” children. No adult has taken them over or claimed them, so where do they go?

What would you recommend?

It is now trending towards 800,000 people coming in illegally a year. Are you willing to take one or two in? How about everyone else here?
It's a humanitarian crisis that the Trump administration has created on its own.

Let's be clear about what the two situations taking place side by side:
  • there are people trying to sneak into the country illegally
  • and then there are families seeking asylum legally.

Fox News has done a convincing job of making the two issues sound like the same thing, and their ignorant viewers lap it up without questioning it.

The families seeking asylum are fleeing the corruption and crime in Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. People do not leave their homes if they are desperate. Yes there are minors traveling with other families because their own parents were too sick or dead to make the trip themselves. Extended family and neighbors are bringing these orphaned children with them. They are not sex slaves or involved in any of the other conspiracies that right wing media is claiming. We don't know that no parent is claiming them due to language barriers and the terror these migrants are experiencing at the hands of border patrol agents.

These are desperate people who need our help, and then we help them get acclimated to living in the United States like millions upon millions of immigrants before them.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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Ok, so you will take one in and raise him/her? If not, who? Multiply by many thousands.

If we accept them in will that curb or encourage future seekers?

Would a physical barrier prevent re-entry?

Who put them on the path to come to the US? Most came over 1000 miles.

I agree the idea of housing them in the area is silly.

I also understand people want to come here for a better life, but we have laws and a process for a reason. Asylum claims are being abused. Even Canadians are fed up and want less refugees entering Canada.
The idea is if they are raised and trained - even by the facility rather than in prisoning them, they could offset the costs by recontributing to the economy, even if at lower wages - yes it would take some jobs but I highly doubt the impact would be so high that the average American will feel threatened as noted before more often than not these types are not after the higher wage jobs most Americans feel entitled to but plainly want to leave crime/gang infested, poverty sticken, poorly managed sections of the world... Keeping them in these prisons isnt doing any of us favors...we still have to pay for that, technically that didn't solve a single problem....they're still on U.S. Soil...and what are we going to do when more keep crossing the border? build more prisons using tax dollars?

and no, the wall is propaganda for a bigger agenda at best, either the man is making money off the deal or there's a bigger scheme than we know of...it hardly has anything to do with America's defense.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 02:26 PM
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If you don’t see the difference between Nazi Germany and the current government then there’s no way any logical person could change your viewpoint. Have a pleasant Independence Day.
Nazi Germany didn't start with death camps. It started with concentration camps, which progressed to labor camps and eventually death camps over a 15 year period. Do you want Atlanta to be associated with anything like this at all?

I'm fully aware of German history. The German Weimar Republic democratically elected Hitler just like Americans elected Trump. After the suspicious Reichstag Fire was when Hitler suspended the German Constitution and things quickly went downhill from there. So it can happen here. Trump is just too much of a bumbling idiot compared to Hitler, which is our saving grace.

Instead of Jews, in America the Latino or Muslim populations are the usual target of the American right wing. Throw in black people and gay people depending on the weekly news cycle.

As a straight white male you may blindly choose not to see the creeping fascism taking place, but minorities do and are rightfully frightened.

Trump's exwife Ivana back in 1990 claimed that he slept with Mein Kampf by his bedside. Why she would bring that up 30 years removed from current events is important to note. But that doesn't make you uneasy at all? That our President has fascist tendancies? Cozies up with dictators like Kim Jung Un and butchers like Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman who murdered an American journalist?

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller
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