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Old 07-04-2019, 07:36 PM
 
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Yeah, exactly... because everyone knows our constitution is exceedingly effective at stopping corruption from our political powers.

Regardless of the intents of migrants entering illegally, setting them up in concentration camps is purely inhumane and treating children like literal animals is absolutely mortifying. Both of which already violate our human rights clauses within our constitution. What is really pissing me off about this is alot of these people who are supporting this are also religious and doing it in his mighty name and it plainly disgusts me.
This is a huge reason why we need to be careful that church and state are no longer separated. This is the next step for religion's war on the people.

 
Old 07-04-2019, 09:19 PM
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Bet you didn't want THE WALL either, did you? So, what do you want to do with the children?
The only people who want the wall are hard-right types. I personally don't know anyone who supports that stupid waste of money. Any person who can sit here and tell me that we just don't have money to help poor people in our country, or to provide healthcare, or any number of other issues facing our country, but support spending tens of billions of dollars on a useless wall has shown their cards.

As for the children, whether or not I have a cohesive plan of what we can do with them, that in no way means that I could support treating them like animals in locked cages, devoid of even the most basic necessities. If the US is paying private companies (mostly headed by Trump allies) several hundred dollars per day to house these children, surely they can afford to provide something better than a piece of cardboard on a concrete floor in a tent. Just think about that: the US is apparently paying more than you would pay to stay at a luxury hotel with every possible amenity, and they're providing a locked cage in a tent with no access to even basic hygiene. All while those companies pocket the rest and enrich shareholders. The worst kind of capitalistic corruption imaginable. But yeah...let's pretend that there simply isn't anything better we can do for these children. This was essentially a crisis created to enrich themselves, and Trump supporters love nothing more.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 05:24 AM
 
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It can absolutely happen. What checks and balances?!?! We have a president who can clearly obstruct justice without being punished. He threatens the media and any individual who isn't on his side. Have you observed his behavior??!! He's not mentally fit to be president.
You are assuming he did obstruct justice in a legal sense. And also that it rises to a level of being actionable. I’m not saying it’s not nor defending the President in this case but Congress can take action.

As far as “mentally fit” there is a process for that as well.

You don’t like the President, and that’s fine. But neither you nor I get to judge fitness or what defines “high crimes and misdemeanors”. Progressives have their panties in a twist because they don’t like Trump, and likability is important. I don’t like him either, but am overall pleased with the economy and his stance on illegal immigration which is far more important to me than social justice issues.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 06:01 AM
 
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We were told that it's just a "manufactured crisis"


 
Old 07-05-2019, 06:04 AM
 
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We were told that it's just a "manufactured crisis"


The line now is that it is a real humanitarian crisis, Trump manufactured the other one.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 06:12 AM
 
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The only people who want the wall are hard-right types. I personally don't know anyone who supports that stupid waste of money. Any person who can sit here and tell me that we just don't have money to help poor people in our country, or to provide healthcare, or any number of other issues facing our country, but support spending tens of billions of dollars on a useless wall has shown their cards.

As for the children, whether or not I have a cohesive plan of what we can do with them, that in no way means that I could support treating them like animals in locked cages, devoid of even the most basic necessities. If the US is paying private companies (mostly headed by Trump allies) several hundred dollars per day to house these children, surely they can afford to provide something better than a piece of cardboard on a concrete floor in a tent. Just think about that: the US is apparently paying more than you would pay to stay at a luxury hotel with every possible amenity, and they're providing a locked cage in a tent with no access to even basic hygiene. All while those companies pocket the rest and enrich shareholders. The worst kind of capitalistic corruption imaginable. But yeah...let's pretend that there simply isn't anything better we can do for these children. This was essentially a crisis created to enrich themselves, and Trump supporters love nothing more.
I don’t agree with much of what you say generally but I do agree that all people should be treated with dignity, be clothed, fed and have access to sanitary facilities. But I don’t trust AOC’s version of the truth either, as she freely admitted you don’t have to be 100% honest when advancing one’s agenda. One of her previous poses decrying the fenced in people was shown to have her facing a road leading to the facility...all staged.

We need to quickly send away those who enter illegally. We need to humanely house those who are legitimately and legally seeking asylum.

But that also requires facilities to be built to accommodate the many who are entering, which many here are against.

It also requires bedding and other material, but Wayfair employees stupidly walked out despite their company’s products helping these children.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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You are assuming he did obstruct justice in a legal sense. And also that it rises to a level of being actionable. Iím not saying itís not nor defending the President in this case but Congress can take action.

As far as ďmentally fitĒ there is a process for that as well.

You donít like the President, and thatís fine. But neither you nor I get to judge fitness or what defines ďhigh crimes and misdemeanorsĒ. Progressives have their panties in a twist because they donít like Trump, and likability is important. I donít like him either, but am overall pleased with the economy and his stance on illegal immigration which is far more important to me than social justice issues.

Lol I'm not assuming. He has obstructed justice for everyone to see. He has fired people who were not on his side regarding the investigation and threatened the media. He is behaving like a dictator similar to Putin and Kim Jong. Firing people and threatening the justice department is actionable.


He is a psychopath lol. How can you not see that? Yeah...that's the problem. The ppl have allowed the elites in this country to define high crime and misdemeanors and then they rig the system against blacks, Hispanics, and poor whites.


Markjames, do you mean to tell me you don't have a problem with trump saying it's okay to grab a woman by the pu*** because he can get away with it or that Latino men are rapists? This should not be a political issue. You are pleased with the economy? His trade war is bringing the US on the verge of a recession. We will be having one likely next year.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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You are assuming he did obstruct justice in a legal sense. And also that it rises to a level of being actionable. I’m not saying it’s not nor defending the President in this case but Congress can take action.

As far as “mentally fit” there is a process for that as well.

You don’t like the President, and that’s fine. But neither you nor I get to judge fitness or what defines “high crimes and misdemeanors”. Progressives have their panties in a twist because they don’t like Trump, and likability is important. I don’t like him either, but am overall pleased with the economy and his stance on illegal immigration which is far more important to me than social justice issues.
I dont seem to get how you really think Congress is going to do anything. They are not about justice, they are about control. Forget what you read in the constitution, it only means anything if its enforced, this country is in possession of a modern day power hungry mafia.

Congress isnt going to do squat. They all have dirt on them, impeaching Trump for them would be literally political suicide as the Republican party loses power in a virtual land slide. Some of them may even face time in prison. It would become a domino effect as investigations completely empty house. On top of this, although even some of those figures do not like the man, they cannot risk giving up control to the democratic party.

Also...

Much of today's economy has nothing to do with Trump, it takes years and years for actions made by political leaders to be felt through the economy. Our economic stance today is still the remnant of his precedor, although I was also no fan of his precedor. You're looking at the economy in terms of job market but becareful about getting your hopes up. The stock market has become vastly unstable and is on the verge of collapse. If that happens, so do the jobs.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 10:57 AM
 
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I dont seem to get how you really think Congress is going to do anything. They are not about justice, they are about control. Forget what you read in the constitution, it only means anything if its enforced, this country is in possession of a modern day power hungry mafia.

Congress isnt going to do squat. They all have dirt on them, impeaching Trump for them would be literally political suicide as the Republican party loses power in a virtual land slide. Some of them may even face time in prison. It would become a domino effect as investigations completely empty house. On top of this, although even some of those figures do not like the man, they cannot risk giving up control to the democratic party.

Also...

Much of today's economy has nothing to do with Trump, it takes years and years for actions made by political leaders to be felt through the economy. Our economic stance today is still the remnant of his precedor, although I was also no fan of his precedor. You're looking at the economy in terms of job market but becareful about getting your hopes up. The stock market has become vastly unstable and is on the verge of collapse. If that happens, so do the jobs.



1) Yup. It's looking more and more like something you'd find in a developing country.



2) My fear is that they are learning how to get away with things as trump has and so why bring him down when they can benefit in the future? They should be facing time in prison. You have people getting locked up for nonsense in this country while they not only fail to face jail time but laugh all the way to the bank.



3) Yes, and I should re-state what I said in my last post. This trade war wouldn't be the only cause for a recession and most presidents have little effect on GDP. With that being said, the trade war is affecting business/investor confidence around the world and our economies are obviously very connected. I'm not sure where they are with tariff talks but if it's not resolved and tariffs get attached, it will affect our economy because in the end the consumer will be paying the higher prices. This equals less disposable income and a likely retreat in consumer spending.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 11:34 AM
 
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Markjames, do you mean to tell me you don't have a problem with trump saying it's okay to grab a woman by the pu*** because he can get away with it or that Latino men are rapists? This should not be a political issue. You are pleased with the economy? His trade war is bringing the US on the verge of a recession. We will be having one likely next year.
I donít think it was appropriate for him to say it. At all. Given the 2016 choices I weighed the two and voted what I felt was the less poor option. When I see the line up for 2020 I will do the same. If the ultimate candidate for the Democrats is Sanders or Warren it would be almost impossible for me to vote for them given their platforms.

As of last week, the Federal Reserve Bank of NY predicts a 30% chance of a recession in the next 12 months. Most economists still predict 2% growth this year.

And if youíre not pleased with the market then I donít know what will please you. Perhaps you prefer a socialist candidate offering $20 an hour but the Dow is at 5000?
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