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It's a humanitarian crisis that the Trump administration has created on its own.
Let's be clear about what the two situations taking place side by side:
there are people trying to sneak into the country illegally
and then there are families seeking asylum legally.
Fox News has done a convincing job of making the two issues sound like the same thing, and their ignorant viewers lap it up without questioning it.
The families seeking asylum are fleeing the corruption and crime in Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. People do not leave their homes if they are desperate. Yes there are minors traveling with other families because their own parents were too sick or dead to make the trip themselves. Extended family and neighbors are bringing these orphaned children with them. They are not sex slaves or involved in any of the other conspiracies that right wing media is claiming. We don't know that no parent is claiming them due to language barriers and the terror these migrants are experiencing at the hands of border patrol agents.
These are desperate people who need our help, and then we help them get acclimated to living in the United States like millions upon millions of immigrants before them.
As a legal immigrant and naturalized citizen I know the process better than most, probably better than any respondent here. I do agree that media does conflate the two situations - but not just Fox. Fox makes them all sound like illegals while most of the rest make it sound as though all are valid refugee seekers.
I don’t deny that there is tremendous violence in Central America. Note that “corruption” is not a valid reason to grant asylum. Nolo has a good and unbiased description on how to increase one’s chances.
But why do these people, instead of risking their health and lives, not stay in Mexico when offered either asylum or appropriate visas? Is MS-13 tracking them individually and will cross borders to hunt them down? If so, how would they be safer in the US?
No, I wouldn’t want to live in Mexico. But asylum isn’t about “better”, it’s about “safe” from what they are being persecuted for. If there are no high paying jobs in Mexico, that’s not a credible reason to not seek asylum there. If their other family members are in the US that is not a credible reason to not seek asylum in Mexico. If their family members are legally in the US there is already a process for family reunification...and the US is FAR more generous than other countries in this respect.
If you don’t see the difference between Nazi Germany and the current government then there’s no way any logical person could change your viewpoint. Have a pleasant Independence Day.
I wish you would stop taking our nation for granted. It's not indestructible, although it is strong.
The differences between pre-World War 2 Nazi Germany and the Trump administration are superficial. They both rely on flat out lies and propaganda to discredit the media. They make scapegoats of minorities. They have concentration camps, which are now expanding to Atlanta.
Are you not bothered by Trump defying our Constitution and our other bodies of government designed by our forefathers to keep dictators/kings in check? Because if he sets a precedent that it's ok, one day a future president may decide to ignore the Second Amendment and take all your guns. It goes both ways.
Respect the Constitution regardless of your political belief because it's there to protect. Do not let Trump shred it.
Nazi Germany didn't start with death camps. It started with concentration camps, which progressed to labor camps and eventually death camps over a 15 year period. Do you want Atlanta to be associated with anything like this at all?
I'm fully aware of German history. The German Weimar Republic democratically elected Hitler just like Americans elected Trump. After the suspicious Reichstag Fire was when Hitler suspended the German Constitution and things quickly went downhill from there. So it can happen here. Trump is just too much of a bumbling idiot compared to Hitler, which is our saving grace.
Instead of Jews, in America the Latino or Muslim populations are the usual target of the American right wing. Throw in black people and gay people depending on the weekly news cycle.
As a straight white male you may blindly choose not to see the creeping fascism taking place, but minorities do and are rightfully frightened.
Trump's exwife Ivana back in 1990 claimed that he slept with Mein Kampf by his bedside. Why she would bring that up 30 years removed from current events is important to note. But that doesn't make you uneasy at all? That our President has fascist tendancies? Cozies up with dictators like Kim Jung Un and butchers like Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman who murdered an American journalist?
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." - Martin Niemöller
You vastly oversimplify the process of electing Hitler. I suggest you read what Hindenburg did from 1930 onward to back the 3 Chancellors PRIOR to Hitler. That sort of autocratic rule has no basis in the US, and you can see how far he would get without the support of Congress or the Supreme Court. Not far.
Ah, the usual cry of white cis-male privilege. Poor, poor you. In my conversations with non white-cis males I see nobody “rightfully frightened”. I do see a level of concern at times, but in my conversations I don’t see panic. Perhaps your tin foil hat is on too tightly?
I don’t care who or what Trump sleeps with, be it a book or Stormy Daniels.
You seem to be frightened. There’s an election next year, cast your vote. Maybe Bernie will give you a handout.
You vastly oversimplify the process of electing Hitler. I suggest you read what Hindenburg did from 1930 onward to back the 3 Chancellors PRIOR to Hitler. That sort of autocratic rule has no basis in the US, and you can see how far he would get without the support of Congress or the Supreme Court. Not far.
Ah, the usual cry of white cis-male privilege. Poor, poor you. In my conversations with non white-cis males I see nobody “rightfully frightened”. I do see a level of concern at times, but in my conversations I don’t see panic. Perhaps your tin foil hat is on too tightly?
I don’t care who or what Trump sleeps with, be it a book or Stormy Daniels.
You seem to be frightened. There’s an election next year, cast your vote. Maybe Bernie will give you a handout.
Yes, I am frightened. Does that make you happy? Looking down at me from your tower of white cis-male privilege?
Eventually this country will be majority-minority. Just saying. It would behoove you to play nice with ALL Americans not just the white ones.
On the history tip - Germany was the most advanced technologically, and the most highly educated nation on earth prior to the Nazi regime. America is a land of simpletons, who take proud in being uneducated or a redneck. You don't think such a willfully ignorant population can't be manipulated to commit evil?
Yes, I am frightened. Does that make you happy? Looking down at me from your tower of white cis-male privilege?
Eventually this country will be majority-minority. Just saying. It would behoove you to play nice with ALL Americans not just the white ones.
On the history tip - Germany was the most advanced technologically, and the most highly educated nation on earth prior to the Nazi regime. America is a land of simpletons, who take proud in being uneducated or a redneck. You don't think such a willfully ignorant population can't be manipulated to commit evil?
You being frightened or not frightened is of no importance to me. You have more rights than I do in this country so perhaps I should be resentful? I’m not.
As a legal immigrant and naturalized citizen I know the process better than most, probably better than any respondent here. I do agree that media does conflate the two situations - but not just Fox. Fox makes them all sound like illegals while most of the rest make it sound as though all are valid refugee seekers.
I don’t deny that there is tremendous violence in Central America. Note that “corruption” is not a valid reason to grant asylum. Nolo has a good and unbiased description on how to increase one’s chances.
But why do these people, instead of risking their health and lives, not stay in Mexico when offered either asylum or appropriate visas? Is MS-13 tracking them individually and will cross borders to hunt them down? If so, how would they be safer in the US?
No, I wouldn’t want to live in Mexico. But asylum isn’t about “better”, it’s about “safe” from what they are being persecuted for. If there are no high paying jobs in Mexico, that’s not a credible reason to not seek asylum there. If their other family members are in the US that is not a credible reason to not seek asylum in Mexico. If their family members are legally in the US there is already a process for family reunification...and the US is FAR more generous than other countries in this respect.
With all the rich Americans vacationing in and retiring to Mexico you would think there would be more than enough jobs for Mexicans there ...
Bet you didn't want THE WALL either, did you? So, what do you want to do with the children?
The wall wouldn’t stop legal asylum claims where people present themselves to immigration authorities.
But as was shown in Hungary a physical barrier does help.
“Attempted border entries have fallen since the barrier was constructed. During the month of September 2015 there was a total number of 138,396 migrant entries, and within the first two weeks of November the average daily number of intercepted migrants decreased to only 15, which is a daily reduction of more than 4,500”
Bet you didn't want THE WALL either, did you? So, what do you want to do with the children?
Noone with half a brain should ever desire to spend $50 Billion on obsolete means of border enforcement. Its ridiculous people here in the 21st century are even considering a wall will even be slightly effective. It is merely propaganda. Nothing more.
This is absolutely soul-crushing to read. We are building for-profit Trump concentration camps. And yes, they are concentration camps. Just like the Japanese camps here in America during WW2. And just like the Nazi camps prior to WW2. Agreed. These concentration camps are a huge money maker for the for-profit prison industry.
The Nazis didn't start with death camps. They started with concentration camps just like these. They then progressed to forced labor camps. And finally death camps. All of this!
And now we're getting one in Atlanta. What an absolute downer of a world we are in.
We are the only country to incarcerate/criminalize its population to the extent we do. 1/3 of Americans have a criminal record with poor whites and especially blacks/Hispanics disproportionately affected.
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Originally Posted by KingKanye
All minorities must stand and oppose this concentration camp! If you areblack, LGBTQ, Jew, Muslim, feminist, Indian, Asian, Latino - all of us must unite because any one of us could be selected next as "needing containment"
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me." -- Martin Niemöller
This! I'm always highlighting how dangerous it is to have a "oh it's them not me I'm not affected" kind of attitude. People need to learn empathy.
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Originally Posted by brownhornet
Concentration camp right in ATL...those of you that voted for Trump I hope you're proud of yourselves.
Some of still proud while others are removing the trump signs from their yards.
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Originally Posted by samiwas1
This is the part that really gets to me. This is just the worst part of crony capitalism. I haven't gone and verified the claims, but I have a friend who researched into some of these camps and found that most are run by these for-profit companies whose board members consist largely of Trump admin officials and other Republican lawmakers/cronies. If true, that is the single most disgusting capitalistic thing I have ever witnessed: creating policy to profit off essentially imprisoning people for simply trying to come here, and then treating them like literal garbage. But, coming from this administration, it is 100% expected. Maybe more than 100%. I KNEW IT!!! LOL. This is so illegal. The president is literally benefiting from brown bodies being locked up. He tried to promote himself in Ireland the other day and they were like no, you don't get to promote your business, which is also illegal as it's a conflict of interest.
I have very few Trump-voting friends. I shouldn't say "friends". They are people I know or went to school with. They absolutely love this. They want more of it.
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Originally Posted by markjames68
I humbly suggest you learn the reasons for the rise of the Third Reich and how it could not happen here before making ridiculous posts like this. There are many checks and balances in our constitution that would prevent a rise of fascism like what followed the economic collapse of the Weimar Republic.
And saying this tripe on our Independence Day no less.
It can absolutely happen. What checks and balances?!?! We have a president who can clearly obstruct justice without being punished. He threatens the media and any individual who isn't on his side. Have you observed his behavior??!! He's not mentally fit to be president.
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