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Old 07-05-2019, 05:48 AM
 
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With a 3% unemployment rate, North Fulton continues to have a tough time filling thousands of jobs, especially in the tech and healthcare field.

Alpharetta has more technology workers than Austin, Texas, according to 2019 data from the Best Places website. About 15 percent of Alpharetta’s workers are in the computer, engineering and science fields, compared to 10 percent for Austin.

Yet on any given day, there are more than 20,000 tech jobs going unfilled in North Fulton, says Julie Haley, CEO and co-founder of Edge Solutions, a technology sales and services firm in Alpharetta.

“We have a hole,” Haley said. She has served on the board of Tech Alpharetta as well as a number of other tech-related organizations in north Fulton. “If you put all of the cities together (in north Fulton), there are over 1,000 tech companies — more than 800 are in Alpharetta proper.”

What’s driving the shortage?

FULL STORY: https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/..._news_headline

SOURCE: Atlanta Business Chronicle
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:02 AM
 
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There are positions and then there are positions. Not all listed positions are real or available to external hires, they are listed to increase the candidate pool by recruiters. I’ve seen positions like this myself - they get posted and reposted periodically.

Of the real ones to be filled, many don’t offer competitive pay, or have unreal expectations. Like you need to tick ALL the boxes (missing one isn’t good enough.)

For the competitive/realistic ones it may be offered by a less than desirable company. Tech workers want a “name” where possible.

So you are left with well-compensated quality open positions - these are the ones that companies struggle to fill and will often use recruiters, and in some cases offer relocation benefits.
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Old 07-05-2019, 06:28 AM
 
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I don't understand how Gwinnett Tech or the Innovation Academy are going to address these problems. For jobs like software developers and network administrators, don't you want people with a 4-year bachelor degree?

As for healthcare... there's something wrong here.

The jobs they need are nurse technician, patient care technicians and lab techs? Ok, fine, technically speaking, these are jobs that exist in the healthcare sector. But they're also one step above working at McDonald's. Anyone who's ever been inside a doctor's office knows this. This training is not hard or expensive to get, so if there's a shortage, it's not because programs are not available. I imagine it's like was stated above, employers just aren't offering competitive pay. That's going to create a shortage no matter how many qualified candidates there are.

I call all sorts of BS on this article.
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Old 07-05-2019, 07:12 AM
 
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I don't understand how Gwinnett Tech or the Innovation Academy are going to address these problems. For jobs like software developers and network administrators, don't you want people with a 4-year bachelor degree?

As for healthcare... there's something wrong here.

The jobs they need are nurse technician, patient care technicians and lab techs? Ok, fine, technically speaking, these are jobs that exist in the healthcare sector. But they're also one step above working at McDonald's. Anyone who's ever been inside a doctor's office knows this. This training is not hard or expensive to get, so if there's a shortage, it's not because programs are not available. I imagine it's like was stated above, employers just aren't offering competitive pay. That's going to create a shortage no matter how many qualified candidates there are.

I call all sorts of BS on this article.
In tech I can say it's true. We currently have several Java developer positions and we barely get any applications. It's been more than 8 months now. HR wants to wait for a few more months and then hire H1B workers or outsource the jobs to a firm out of US .
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Old 07-05-2019, 07:25 AM
 
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I don't understand how Gwinnett Tech or the Innovation Academy are going to address these problems. For jobs like software developers and network administrators, don't you want people with a 4-year bachelor degree?

As for healthcare... there's something wrong here.

The jobs they need are nurse technician, patient care technicians and lab techs? Ok, fine, technically speaking, these are jobs that exist in the healthcare sector. But they're also one step above working at McDonald's. Anyone who's ever been inside a doctor's office knows this. This training is not hard or expensive to get, so if there's a shortage, it's not because programs are not available. I imagine it's like was stated above, employers just aren't offering competitive pay. That's going to create a shortage no matter how many qualified candidates there are.

I call all sorts of BS on this article.





I work in healthcare on the IT side now but started out as a lab tech. Georgia requires a national certification that requires an exam. That exam has two routes to qualify: associates in medical technology or bachelor's degree in medical technology. I had to do four years undergrad plus a one year unpaid internship. I managed lab and it was so hard to find qualified people mostly due to the education requirements. They didn't have a national certification.



Outside the lab on the hospital floor it was hard to keep patient care techs,telemetry, cna's or what have you. The education isn't as much as challenge as is the nature of the job. It is a thankless and grueling job. The population is getting older and in need of more care which requires more healthcare workers but we can't keep the positions we already have filled.



You are right that pay is also a big part of it but not all of it. Employees need to feel appreciated as well as compensated.
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Old 07-05-2019, 07:35 AM
 
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We currently have several Java developer positions and we barely get any applications. It's been more than 8 months now.
What do you suppose the problem is?

I know Atlanta tries to sell itself as the Silicon Valley of the south (along with every other southern city) and often cite GA Tech as a source of qualified talent. I assume UGA also has a half-way decent computer program.

I've long said nobody ever said, "Wow, I just graduated top of my class at Ga Tech. Can't wait to go work in Atlanta's fintech scene!" My guess is good GA Tech grads go out to fun and sexy companies like Google, YouTube, Apple, etc. But that's just a hunch as an outsider. Are intown ATL companies having the same problem? Where are all the GA Tech/UGA grads going? Or are there just not enough of them?
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Old 07-05-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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I don't understand how Gwinnett Tech or the Innovation Academy are going to address these problems. For jobs like software developers and network administrators, don't you want people with a 4-year bachelor degree?

As for healthcare... there's something wrong here.

The jobs they need are nurse technician, patient care technicians and lab techs? Ok, fine, technically speaking, these are jobs that exist in the healthcare sector. But they're also one step above working at McDonald's. Anyone who's ever been inside a doctor's office knows this. This training is not hard or expensive to get, so if there's a shortage, it's not because programs are not available. I imagine it's like was stated above, employers just aren't offering competitive pay. That's going to create a shortage no matter how many qualified candidates there are.

I call all sorts of BS on this article.
For programming, computer science degrees are where you get the candidates.

Network administrators, are usually guys who want to learn & either start out in the help desk & are promoted upwards or are ex military who learned their skills there. A good portion of telecom/networking positions come from former military people.

The only real solution to candidate shortages is either pay more money, bring in foreign workers which drives down pay in the area H1-B visas, or develop internal candidates.
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Old 07-05-2019, 08:10 AM
 
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Smaller shops are better off hiring people without a degree but with the relevant skills. It worked for me for around 10 years. If hiring managers still want everything then they will be disappointed.

Even Apple and Google realize this and are relaxing the degree requirement.
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Old 07-05-2019, 08:26 AM
 
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IMO there isn't a shortage. There is perhaps a bit of short-sightedness and a to hire anyone that doesn't tick off 9 out of 10 boxes and might need a few weeks of training to perform a given job to expectations.

I'm not a programmer (not a real one, i just know one or two scripting languages), but I had to leave the Alpharetta area after 9 months of searching and an inability to find a job in the area.

They aren't hurting for people... there are people everywhere...just look at the number of applications job listings get. They are hurting for their analog to a 6ft + dark haired athlete/ceo/philanthropist who is single and looking to commit.
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Old 07-05-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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What do you suppose the problem is?

I know Atlanta tries to sell itself as the Silicon Valley of the south (along with every other southern city) and often cite GA Tech as a source of qualified talent. I assume UGA also has a half-way decent computer program.

I've long said nobody ever said, "Wow, I just graduated top of my class at Ga Tech. Can't wait to go work in Atlanta's fintech scene!" My guess is good GA Tech grads go out to fun and sexy companies like Google, YouTube, Apple, etc. But that's just a hunch as an outsider. Are intown ATL companies having the same problem? Where are all the GA Tech/UGA grads going? Or are there just not enough of them?
There are enough grads. More than enough. There are 4 big colleges in the immediate area (Tech, UGA, KSU, Ga State) and twice that within a 4 hour drive (UTK, UTC, Clemson, USC, UAB, Vanderbilt, etc). Some do depart for greener pastures like California, Portland, Austin, etc... but grads will largely go where they get good offers. I would argue that there aren't as many viable vacancies here as companies are willing to disclose.

When is the last time a company went public saying "man, we have a glut of workers... this is great! We are going to lower our starting wage and tell people to stop applying!"
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