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Old 07-15-2019, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Vinings
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Agree the 100% best solution is a frequent commuter rail system along that Stone Mountain line that goes out to Conyers.

You could even have a station at Stonecrest Mall, as the line goes right there. Just need a simple pedestrian bridge here:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7020.../data=!3m1!1e3

Phase 1 from Five Points to Stonecrest Mall at the outer edge of DeKalb, with park & ride lots. And a transfer stop at Avondale.

Phase 2 would then be when Rockdale is ready to fund to extend it to Conyers and Hwy 138. Since they are part of The ATL.
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Old 07-15-2019, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Vinings
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Also, forget I-20 BRT, as that would end up being stupid.

Put a quality BRT line with bus only lanes along Candler Rd, between the Decatur MARTA station and South DeKalb Mall, with a park&ride lot at the end.

So that would basically kind of serve the nearby Wesley Chapel area, and also the Gresham Park area.

But Gresham Park could be served if they had a commuter rail line to Henry County, with a stop here at Moreland:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6926.../data=!3m1!1e3
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Old 07-15-2019, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Vinings
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But IF they do a BRT on I-20, it should stay always straight and never exit the freeway except at the ends, and not navigate surface streets to get to Five Points.

Just have it run from West Lake station, to a stop at the Westside Beltline at Westview, to a stop at Mechanicsville at McDaniel St, with an infill MARTA HRT built together as one station to connect the BRT with the north/south main subway line.

Then it would run I guess all the way to Stonecrest, with the final connection at the commuter rail station there.

This would be a seriously high capacity bus, that looks and acts as much like a train as a bus can get.
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Old 07-15-2019, 09:12 PM
 
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But Gresham Park could be served if they had a commuter rail line to Henry County, with a stop here at Moreland:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6926.../data=!3m1!1e3

That's Constitution and the Constitution Area, but yes, Gresham Park is nearby.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gr...!4d-84.3161186

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gr...!4d-84.3161186

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Co...889!4d-84.3425

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Co...889!4d-84.3425

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution,_Georgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomasville_Heights

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham_Park,_Georgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas...ights_Projects

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Th...!4d-84.3581483
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Old Yesterday, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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But, I think there could be a compromise. Get HRT down to Wesley Chapel and keep BRT in both directions for the time being.



Density isn't everything. Unlike most other Atlanta corridors, people from miles on both sides of I-20 head to it to commute. So even without the magical density, you still have a tremendous amount of people that a rail line would "intercept."
That is an interesting idea and one that could work.

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Well if they commute downtown, BRT would get them there quicker. If they are going to Decatur or the Clifton Corridor, obviously, extending the Blue or Green line would get them there quicker. A combination could serve both groups.
Do not forget DeKalb Co Transit Master Plan to operate BRT along 285 East Wall

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Also, forget I-20 BRT, as that would end up being stupid.

Put a quality BRT line with bus only lanes along Candler Rd, between the Decatur MARTA station and South DeKalb Mall, with a park&ride lot at the end.

So that would basically kind of serve the nearby Wesley Chapel area, and also the Gresham Park area.

But Gresham Park could be served if they had a commuter rail line to Henry County, with a stop here at Moreland:

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6926.../data=!3m1!1e3
Why so quick to dismiss BRT? BRT, if done right can be a great transit option. Metro Atlanta does not have a good BRT example, but with BRT potentially being a part of Metro Atlanta's Express Lanes, we could build out a BRT system for a lot cheaper than rail into low density suburbs.
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Old Yesterday, 09:10 AM
 
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That is an interesting idea and one that could work.


Do not forget DeKalb Co Transit Master Plan to operate BRT along 285 East Wall


Why so quick to dismiss BRT? BRT, if done right can be a great transit option. Metro Atlanta does not have a good BRT example, but with BRT potentially being a part of Metro Atlanta's Express Lanes, we could build out a BRT system for a lot cheaper than rail into low density suburbs.
In functionality yes but I think there are two major drawbacks to BRT that would make it much less optimal to HRT.

#1 Its implementation - Unless they design the stations in-line with I--20 with dedicated lane making it so the bus never has to exit and at the very most, seldomly shares ROW with traffic, it's just another graduate xpress bus which in the grand scheme doesn't get the job done. Knowing them they will cheap out on it, especially given its eastern DeKalb just to say they did something to provide transit. On top of this, there will be no direct connection with the Blue Lines existing HRT stations which will add transfers, much in the same way a BRT would do for N.Fulton even if it were designed properly.

#2 Its stigma. Let's face it, most people do not want to use the bus. Especially since there are alternatives such as Uber and Lyft or Rideshare. While a BRT is more dedicated, most people will still see it and recognize it as a bus
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Old Yesterday, 09:17 AM
 
Location: North Atlanta
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That is an interesting idea and one that could work.


Do not forget DeKalb Co Transit Master Plan to operate BRT along 285 East Wall


Why so quick to dismiss BRT? BRT, if done right can be a great transit option. Metro Atlanta does not have a good BRT example, but with BRT potentially being a part of Metro Atlanta's Express Lanes, we could build out a BRT system for a lot cheaper than rail into low density suburbs.
Unless GDOT/SRTA turn the lanes over for the exclusive use of the buses, it will just be half-arse BRT.
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Old Yesterday, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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In functionality yes but I think there are two major drawbacks to BRT that would make it much less optimal to HRT.

#1 Its implementation - Unless they design the stations in-line with I--20 with dedicated lane making it so the bus never has to exit and at the very most, seldomly shares ROW with traffic, it's just another graduate xpress bus which in the grand scheme doesn't get the job done. Knowing them they will cheap out on it, especially given its eastern DeKalb just to say they did something to provide transit. On top of this, there will be no direct connection with the Blue Lines existing HRT stations which will add transfers, much in the same way a BRT would do for N.Fulton even if it were designed properly.
Making that requirement in the planning process can ensure that the BRT does have in-line stations, like what's proposed for GA 400. If we use the proposed I-285 Express Lane projects as an opportunity to implement BRT in them, then we can have BRT that connects directly to Indian Creek and even serve stations along I-285 to Cumberland and FIB.
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#2 Its stigma. Let's face it, most people do not want to use the bus. Especially since there are alternatives such as Uber and Lyft or Rideshare. While a BRT is more dedicated, most people will still see it and recognize it as a bus
The only reason BRT is seen as "just a bus" is because we don't have a good example in Georgia or Atlanta. BRT can be effective transit solution, in the hierarchy of transit service.
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Unless GDOT/SRTA turn the lanes over for the exclusive use of the buses, it will just be half-arse BRT.
LA Silver Line runs in shared, managed lanes and still effective as a BRT in the expressway running sections.
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Old Yesterday, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Vinings
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BRT, if done right can be a great transit option.
Yeah, and when MARTA had those preliminary plans for I-20 BRT a few years ago, it looked absolutely terrible and not done right at all. Like the bus had to exit the freeway at most of the stops and navigate surface streets, then get back on the interstate. What a mess.

100% agree it can be awesome if they make it that.
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Old Yesterday, 10:42 AM
 
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Duh. The idea of BRT is something that runs frequently like HRT. And with the lower capacity, it would run more frequently than a rail line would.
This is metro ATL transit authorities we are talking about, and I wouldnt put it past them to have a Rush Hour only BRT like GRTA and them patting themselves on the back like the have done a great job.


A BRT that connect the Eastern Suburbs from Stonecrest , Panola and Wesly Chapel, where alot of folks commute from to the Northen Like Alpharetta without having to stop and get off in Dunwoody, get on a train and then back on another bus would be great.
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