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Old 08-09-2019, 06:29 PM
 
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You originally were talking about scooping up pretty much every homeless person and throwing them behind bars, against their will, and holding them there. I am saying that should only happen if the homeless person is causing a real issue. So yeah, if the person is causing a problem, THEN you resort to the legal issues such as confining them. If they are not, then they should be able to voluntarily come to and go from a shelter that provides actual assistance.
Where do you draw the line at "real issue"? Panhandling? Yelling profanities? public nudity? blocking the public right of way? Trespassing? Public intoxication? Drug use?

Short-term confinement to a shelter for things like that is probably the kindest thing we can do. Leaving these people with major issues lying in the gutter is just wrong.
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Old 08-09-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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Good news is, looks like we have been making progress 2009-2018, but this last year ticked back up:

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/...elessness.html

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Old 08-09-2019, 09:07 PM
 
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Where do you draw the line at "real issue"? Panhandling? Yelling profanities? public nudity? blocking the public right of way? Trespassing? Public intoxication? Drug use?

Short-term confinement to a shelter for things like that is probably the kindest thing we can do. Leaving these people with major issues lying in the gutter is just wrong.
Christ on a cracker. Do I really need to lay out every detail? Can I just say that putting people in jail for simply being homeless is cruel and leave it at that? Do I actually have to lay out exactly which crimes should rise to the level of incarceration?
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:37 PM
 
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Christ on a cracker. Do I really need to lay out every detail? Can I just say that putting people in jail for simply being homeless is cruel and leave it at that? Do I actually have to lay out exactly which crimes should rise to the level of incarceration?
You don't have to participate in this conversation if it is to much for you.

But no one is trying to go out an arbitrarily label people "homeless" and through them in jail because of it. People that meet certain criteria / break certain laws are a danger to themselves and / or society and benefit both by being confined somewhere with food, water, shelter, and healthcare being provided to them. Many of the people we label as "homeless" fit the criteria. The question is what should that criteria be.
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:31 AM
 
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I didn't know Giuliani did that.

Blame mainstream media. Lol I'll just leave it there because I want to stay on topic but u could write a book on all the **it.
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Old 08-10-2019, 05:36 AM
 
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Christ on a cracker. Do I really need to lay out every detail? Can I just say that putting people in jail for simply being homeless is cruel and leave it at that? Do I actually have to lay out exactly which crimes should rise to the level of incarceration?

LOL did you get christ on a cracker from Shameless? I can't remember where I've heard it. That gif!! I've felt that so often at work. That's why I'd like to look into entrepreneurship in the future. So over retail.
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Old 08-11-2019, 07:46 AM
 
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These people sleeping on the streets are doing no one any good. We at least need to get them sheltered and provided with food, water, and basic medical care even if it is in prison.



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But no one is trying to go out an arbitrarily label people "homeless" and through them in jail because of it. People that meet certain criteria / break certain laws are a danger to themselves and / or society and benefit both by being confined somewhere with food, water, shelter, and healthcare being provided to them.
When the criteria for imprisonment is “sleeping on the street” you are clearly talking about locking up people for being homeless.
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Old 08-11-2019, 08:52 AM
 
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When the criteria for imprisonment is “sleeping on the street” you are clearly talking about locking up people for being homeless.
Clearly. But, we're talking about a guy who has to hire a moving company for the number of goalposts he has to move.
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Old 08-11-2019, 01:25 PM
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Actually, none of this would be a problem if the police actually enforced the existing laws.

You know what we really need? You know how MARTA has the see something, say something app or whatever? APD needs something similar, where if you are aggressively panhandled, just record it with your cell phone. They should have a special site where you can upload video of it happening.

I imagine the police pretty much know all of the homeless people. If they had video proof of who the problems are, they could build cases against those people and get them the help they need, or into jail if that's where they need to be. I don't think anybody really has an issue with homeless people simply being around. It's the aggressive panhandling that's the problem. And frankly, it's embarrassing that this has been a problem as long as it has and the city has never gotten it under control.

I'd look to Giuliani as a case study in this. Sure, he's a divisive politician (especially now, let's not even go there), and not everybody agreed with what he did with New York at the time. But I think almost everybody can agree the city is better for it today. We need someone with the guts to do what's necessary, even if it has detractors, if we want to build a city we can be really proud of in 10 years.
San Francisco made huge improvements in the 80s on their panhandling issues. It was night and day. But since then they've quit doing those things and it makes the 80s look like Nirvana.
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Old 08-11-2019, 03:16 PM
 
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San Francisco made huge improvements in the 80s on their panhandling issues. It was night and day. But since then they've quit doing those things and it makes the 80s look like Nirvana.
The 80s were a really rough time for a lot of people. Reaganomics, massive unemployment, recession, deindustrialization, drugs, and the kicking of folks out of mental health facilities.

For the well to do, the price of housing continued to go up, so it was a perfect storm.
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