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Old 08-02-2019, 03:39 PM
 
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It's less than 100 corporate leaders. I don't think that makes up for Turner and Truist.
Who said it did?

It was simply said that it is welcome news in light of the departure of other companies.
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Old 08-02-2019, 03:59 PM
 
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Who said it did?

It was simply said that it is welcome news in light of the departure of other companies.
That's what I took from the op when reading it initially. It wasn't apparent to me the good news was just in name only. The OP has clarified.
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Old 08-03-2019, 08:32 AM
 
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Oh Sweet Baby Jesus!!! Talk about a weird business decision indeed.

As a native of Michigan (Detroit), I'd first slit my wrist before moving to bum**** nowhere that is Kalamazoo.

I'm sure there are very nice people who live there and it's a fine town that suits the needs of some individuals, but you're 2-3 hours away from major cities (Chicago and Detroit), you're in the lake effect snow belt (thus virtually 9 months out of the year is solid overcast skies), it's lacking in diversity (very black/white and poor/working class) and besides Stryker, there are no other major white collar employers there (it does have a somewhat large university, but that's about it).

It's hard enough for companies trying to keep/attract talent to Metro Detroit after the auto industry collapse, so I can about imagine the hell it's been attracting/keeping talent at this design center for Newell.
Don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel about Michigan!

It's not where I want to live, but Grand Rapids is in fire.
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Old 08-03-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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Don't hold back! Tell us how you really feel about Michigan!

It's not where I want to live, but Grand Rapids is in fire.
lol.

But my point still stands. Kalamazoo has very few redeeming qualities for upwardly- mobile, college-educated professionals and companies who want to attract/retain them. Even with Western Michigan University, the students quickly leave the state for Chicago or Minneapolis after graduation.

So I'm not surprised to hear that the move for Newel Brandsl to open a Design Center there has been a disaster. But it also shows the amazing amount of pull one person in a company can have when it comes to these decisions (assuming the story's true), even if it's to the detriment of the ultimate end goal of the organization.
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:52 AM
 
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lol.

But my point still stands. Kalamazoo has very few redeeming qualities for upwardly- mobile, college-educated professionals and companies who want to attract/retain them. Even with Western Michigan University, the students quickly leave the state for Chicago or Minneapolis after graduation.

So I'm not surprised to hear that the move for Newel Brandsl to open a Design Center there has been a disaster. But it also shows the amazing amount of pull one person in a company can have when it comes to these decisions (assuming the story's true), even if it's to the detriment of the ultimate end goal of the organization.
You're selling Kalamazoo way short, and aren't telling a true story while at it. Stryker is hardly the only major employer, Pfizer employs double what they do and at significantly higher wages. And the well traveled locals feel the same way about Detroit as you do about Kalamazoo. Chicago is their big city, Detroit is mostly an afterthought or a place to change planes to them. Ditto for Grand Rapids just up the road.
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Old 08-04-2019, 04:33 AM
 
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You're selling Kalamazoo way short, and aren't telling a true story while at it. Stryker is hardly the only major employer, Pfizer employs double what they do and at significantly higher wages. And the well traveled locals feel the same way about Detroit as you do about Kalamazoo. Chicago is their big city, Detroit is mostly an afterthought or a place to change planes to them. Ditto for Grand Rapids just up the road.
I stand by what I said.

If I were to ever move back to Michigan, Detroit would be the only option (and it would be under certain circumstances). I only do major metro areas, and (for good reasons) so do most upwardly-mobile, college-educated professionals.

You're more than welcome to move to Grand Rapids or Kalanazoo if you like them. Although coming from Atlanta, just know you're going to be in for one hell of a culture shock in both.
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Old 08-04-2019, 04:56 AM
 
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I stand by what I said.

If I were to ever move back to Michigan, Detroit would be the only option (and it would be under certain circumstances). I only do major metro areas, and (for good reasons) so do most upwardly-mobile, college-educated professionals.

You're more than welcome to move to Grand Rapids or Kalanazoo if you like them. Although coming from Atlanta, just know you're going to be in for one hell of a culture shock in both.
My husband is from there, that's why I'm familiar with Western Michigan. I have no desire to live there, but it's a nice area and I enjoy our visits. And you were flat out wrong stating that Stryker is the largest employer, Pfizer has more than double the employees, and at much higher salaries. They're also behind some significant improvements to Downtown. Your dismissiveness and false claims show you aren't really qualified to speak on the area.
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:02 AM
 
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Kalamazoo is an impressive place. It doesn't seem crazy at all for a company to have its design division there.
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Old Yesterday, 06:59 AM
 
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My husband is from there, that's why I'm familiar with Western Michigan. I have no desire to live there, but it's a nice area and I enjoy our visits. And you were flat out wrong stating that Stryker is the largest employer, Pfizer has more than double the employees, and at much higher salaries. They're also behind some significant improvements to Downtown. Your dismissiveness and false claims show you aren't really qualified to speak on the area.


This response feels way to personal. Lol.
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Old Yesterday, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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This response feels way to personal. Lol.
Whatever. False narratives need to be exposed.
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