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Old 08-14-2019, 03:58 PM
 
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Originally Posted by waronxmas View Post
One day people are going to realize that more highways or more transit will never fix traffic on it's own.
So, then...what will?

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So...Houston, Dallas, Nashville, and Chicago have no traffic?
How did you get that from what he said??

 
Old 08-14-2019, 04:04 PM
 
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Freeways and highways are barriers.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...?smid=tw-share
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This has got to be one of the dumbest threads ever on CD!
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Its not. Its just more race baiting for clicks.

The biggest contributor to traffic was not separating I-85 and I-75 in the first place.
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Well, it’s not like the actions/words of previous generations haven’t made Atlanta an easy target—and the MARTA stuff really isn’t a reach, and as a whole white flight has contributed to sprawl/traffic—although cheap land, and hunger for growth probably made sprawl inevitable anyway.
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Did this guy even look at a map of Atlanta when writing this piece? He says that I-20 on the Westside meanders bizarrely, but it runs almost due west. The most dramatic curve takes it around Westview Cemetery, which predates the interstate by almost 70 years. The highway had to go around it. Meanwhile, it's I-20 on the Eastside that has the really bizarre route, as far as I can see, with a sharp dip to the south that also briefly swings back west.

Meanwhile, no mention at all of the Grady Curve, the poor design of which is the source of the very worst intown freeway traffic, and may also have been conceived with nefarious intent, having sliced Sweet Auburn in half, among other things.
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Agreed.
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This sounds like it was written by a guy I went to high school with. He claimed that the new gym building's walls were painted with racist intent. Why, you ask? Because they were two-tone beige, with darker beige on the bottom, and lighter beige on the top. This apparently symbolized whites' power over blacks.

The author of the article actually wrote a book about all of this stuff:

White Flight
https://www.audible.com/pd/White-Fli...ook/1977342949
 
Old 08-14-2019, 04:26 PM
 
Location: North Atlanta
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How did you get that from what he said??

From here:


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Traffic in big cities is a matter of fact sadly. If you don't want traffic move to flyover country.
 
Old 08-14-2019, 04:30 PM
 
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I'm a bit surprised the NYT's published something so short from a scholar. Their argument might be strengthened if they also looked into the investments in the automobile industry during "white flight," and perhaps some studies that've been able to estimate some of the daily demographic trips in and out of the city. I'd also be interested if they put some focus behind the role of desegregationist school busing and magnet schools in terms of traffic . . . I don't see anywhere in the article where the author argued for interstates/etc. as racist more than sentiments that went into their organization. Where is that stated in the article?
 
Old 08-14-2019, 04:30 PM
 
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White Atlantans didn't move north, transplants did.
 
Old 08-14-2019, 04:44 PM
 
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How are Chicago, Nashville, Houston, and Dallas "flyover country"?? Flyover country refers to places like rural Kansas and Nebraska. He said big cities have traffic. Those are big cities.
 
Old 08-14-2019, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Downtown Marietta
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The author of the article actually wrote a book about all of this stuff:

White Flight
https://www.audible.com/pd/White-Fli...ook/1977342949
That does not change the fact that there are some glaring errors (or errors of omission) in his piece. And while racism was certainly involved in the routing of the highways, it wasn't necessarily the primary cause of the congestion we experience today. Post hoc, ergo proper hoc, anyone?
 
Old 08-14-2019, 04:55 PM
 
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This sounds like it was written by a guy I went to high school with. He claimed that the new gym building's walls were painted with racist intent. Why, you ask? Because they were two-tone beige, with darker beige on the bottom, and lighter beige on the top. This apparently symbolized whites' power over blacks.
You're right. Your example is exactly like demolishing black homes by the hundreds and massive infrastructure projects that were openly designed for segregation.
 
Old 08-14-2019, 05:01 PM
 
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Did this guy even look at a map of Atlanta when writing this piece? He says that I-20 on the Westside meanders bizarrely, but it runs almost due west. The most dramatic curve takes it around Westview Cemetery, which predates the interstate by almost 70 years. The highway had to go around it. Meanwhile, it's I-20 on the Eastside that has the really bizarre route, as far as I can see, with a sharp dip to the south that also briefly swings back west.

Meanwhile, no mention at all of the Grady Curve, the poor design of which is the source of the very worst intown freeway traffic, and may also have been conceived with nefarious intent, having sliced Sweet Auburn in half, among other things.
There is a section of I-20 east of the city that is more N-S than it is E-W and I don't see any barrier that would have prevented a more direct route. Are you disputing the direct quotes from Hartsfield?



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That does not change the fact that there are some glaring errors (or errors of omission) in his piece. And while racism was certainly involved in the routing of the highways, it wasn't necessarily the primary cause of the congestion we experience today. Post hoc, ergo proper hoc, anyone?
Such as?
 
Old 08-14-2019, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Downtown Marietta
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There is a section of I-20 east of the city that is more N-S than it is E-W and I don't see any barrier that would have prevented a more direct route. Are you disputing the direct quotes from Hartsfield?
I am saying, as I said in my other post, that while the author said the crazy circuitous route was on I-20 WEST, it is, in fact, on I-20 EAST. And the biggest cause of congestion, that was also likely at least in part brought about by or as a tool of segregation, is the Grady Curve, which he fails to mention.

It's just a sloppily written article.
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