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Old Yesterday, 11:10 AM
 
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Reminds of how a few years ago the city did traffic calming on Lindbergh, took a wide road and filled it in with these curving medians. Last week a truck broke down in rush hour right where there is a median and traffic was totally blocked. Cars were lined up behind it waiting for a chance to dart around the median, into on-coming traffic, which was the only way to get around the blockage. At the time these medians were installed, many people were against them because of the many delivery and moving trucks that need a shoulder, and for reasons like the above--no place to go around a stopped vehicle. One lane each way is not enough room on busy roads where you need to expect the unexpected.
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Old Yesterday, 12:54 PM
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The thing is protected LIT lanes are not needed on slow, residential streets. Protected LIT lanes are needed on
https://nacto.org/publication/urban-...-cycle-tracks/
Also, you don't own the street in front of your house. Do you repair potholes, clogged stormdrains, curbs?


No, but neither does the city or county!
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Old Yesterday, 01:21 PM
 
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Reminds of how a few years ago the city did traffic calming on Lindbergh, took a wide road and filled it in with these curving medians. Last week a truck broke down in rush hour right where there is a median and traffic was totally blocked. Cars were lined up behind it waiting for a chance to dart around the median, into on-coming traffic, which was the only way to get around the blockage. At the time these medians were installed, many people were against them because of the many delivery and moving trucks that need a shoulder, and for reasons like the above--no place to go around a stopped vehicle. One lane each way is not enough room on busy roads where you need to expect the unexpected.
They are called Chicanes and Pinchpoints. It does slow vehicle traffic down. We should not sacrifice our residents' QoL so car commuters can drive fast.
Does THIS look like a thru street for trucks and commuter traffic?
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Old Yesterday, 02:28 PM
 
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Majority would just use the general traffic lane, creating a potential merge with vehicles.
Why don't drivers get out of their car, pull onto a sidewalk pass a cyclist LEGALLY using the lane and continue on the other side?
Because they're already in their designated lane. They stay there, behind the bike.

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Also, you don't own the street in front of your house. Do you repair potholes, clogged stormdrains, curbs?
He just said he doesn't want those things in front of his house. Just like you do want bike lanes and "traffic calming" mechanisms. You don't own the street either, so are you not allowed to have an opinion on what you want there, either?

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Reminds of how a few years ago the city did traffic calming on Lindbergh, took a wide road and filled it in with these curving medians. Last week a truck broke down in rush hour right where there is a median and traffic was totally blocked. Cars were lined up behind it waiting for a chance to dart around the median, into on-coming traffic, which was the only way to get around the blockage. At the time these medians were installed, many people were against them because of the many delivery and moving trucks that need a shoulder, and for reasons like the above--no place to go around a stopped vehicle. One lane each way is not enough room on busy roads where you need to expect the unexpected.
Huh? Where is this?
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Old Today, 03:36 PM
 
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The thing is protected LIT lanes are not needed on slow, residential streets. Protected LIT lanes are needed on "Streets on which bike lanes would cause many bicyclists to feel stress because of factors such as multiple lanes, high traffic volumes, high speed traffic, high demand for double parking, and high parking turnover. "
Yep. Great point. Most smaller streets where protected LIT lanes don't fit, don't need them as long as traffic flow is slow and simple enough.

Peachtree Street is a great example IMO. Something like this makes it much friendlier to bike / scooter down even though it does not add protected lanes.
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Old Today, 03:51 PM
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They are called Chicanes and Pinchpoints. It does slow vehicle traffic down. We should not sacrifice our residents' QoL so car commuters can drive fast.
Does THIS look like a thru street for trucks and commuter traffic?
Well it does have a massive amount of traffic. LaVista/Lindberg is one of the few routes from Dekalb County to Piedmont and Peachtree.
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Old Today, 03:53 PM
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Yep. Great point. Most smaller streets where protected LIT lanes don't fit, don't need them as long as traffic flow is slow and simple enough.

Peachtree Street is a great example IMO. Something like this makes it much friendlier to bike / scooter down even though it does not add protected lanes.
There are residential streets with a lot of vehicles parked on the street that make it difficult. The area around Clifton and McClendon is such a place. Much of Inman Park and Candler Park are like that.
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Old Today, 04:10 PM
 
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There are residential streets with a lot of vehicles parked on the street that make it difficult. The area around Clifton and McClendon is such a place. Much of Inman Park and Candler Park are like that.
Make what difficult? If we are thinking of the same streets they are already pretty great to bike down.

If you have a 30ft or less wide street that has cars parked on both sides, mostly four-way stop signs, and minimal road markings it is already going to have cars going pretty slow and going to be friendly / safer to bike / scooter along.


Edit: Looked at Clifton near there in map view. It is a little over designed for cars so they can go faster. Needs less makings, more four-way stops, and a little less total width so cars don't drive as fast.
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Old Today, 04:52 PM
 
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If we do scooter lanes all over town could we please get decent left turn lanes on Ponce at Oakdale and Springdale?

That seems like a tiny trade-off for dozens of miles of protected scooter lanes.
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