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Old 08-17-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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https://www.ajc.com/news/opinion/opi...NXMGvjYRpHmGI/


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Following in the steps other cities have taken, the city of Atlanta has enacted a night-time ban of scooters and E-bikes in response to several tragic accidents in recent months, many occurring past sunset on our busy streets.

Through an abundance of caution, we have decided to eliminate the temptation to use scooters during times of lowest visibility.

Scooter companies legally permitted to operate in Atlanta deploy nearly 5,500 devices each day. They have all agreed to disable their equipment between 9 p.m. and 4 a.m.

This night-time ban, along with our moratorium on permitting new scooter providers, are part of a comprehensive review the city is conducting on this popular form of transportation, which is having a significant impact on our infrastructure, public safety and quality of life.

Currently, the city of Atlanta has no plans to ban scooters entirely. But we do need to pause and determine how to regulate this new industry in a thoughtful and broader way.

We believe that a variety of mobility options enhances any major city: The more choices, the better. We are committed to finding solutions that will allow for the smart integration of scooters and E-bikes, which enable last-mile connectivity and convenient short trips within the city.

Between February and June of this year, more than 2.2 million scooter trips were logged in Atlanta, covering more than 2.3 million miles. During the same period, 286 crashes and 125 injuries were reported.
Estimates also show that 700,000 of those trips replaced travel that would have been made with automobiles – a potentially game-changing statistic.

But public safety is our top priority and making Atlanta a No Rider Zone for scooters at night will ensure the safest conditions for everyone – pedestrians, motorists, cyclists and people in wheelchairs.

The Atlanta Police Department is also conducting an education campaign on scooters, to foster awareness around public use and safety before law enforcement begins heavily citing users for infractions. As of August 9, APD had issued 256 warnings and citations.

As we work towards a larger solution, we are focusing in the short term on changes we can make quickly and relatively inexpensively:
We plan to revise our selection process for scooter companies to limit the number of vendors, so we can better manage the process and develop a working partnership with these businesses. Currently, nine companies are permitted to operate here; we anticipate a reduction in that number.

In the next 30 days, we plan to implement changes to our streets to better protect everyone. We will use temporary barriers, painted demarcations and any tool we can find to complement our growing network of 118 miles of dedicated space for bikes and scooters.

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Sounds promising, I will be interested to see if there is follow-through on this.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:36 PM
 
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At a couple million miles and four deaths, scooters are much more dangerous than cars and bikes to ride.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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At a couple million miles and four deaths, scooters are dozens of times more dangerous to use than cars.
Don't all the scooter deaths involve a car or other heavy vehicle? It is like saying we need to reduce schools to stop school shootings.
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Old 08-17-2019, 07:49 PM
 
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Don't all the scooter deaths involve a car or other heavy vehicle?
I’m just stating a plain fact. Scooters are the most deadly form of transportation in Atlanta.

Find something with a worse death rate than four in a couple million miles.

That’s a death rate that’s dozens of times worse than cars.
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Old 08-17-2019, 08:54 PM
 
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I’m just stating a plain fact. Scooters are the most deadly form of transportation in Atlanta.

Find something with a worse death rate than four in a couple million miles.

That’s a death rate that’s dozens of times worse than cars.
Maybe, would have to see the numbers. Probably not worse than motorcycles though.

Either way, barriers protecting bikes and scooters from cars should be welcomed by all. Do you disagree?
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Old 08-18-2019, 05:07 AM
 
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Maybe, would have to see the numbers. Probably not worse than motorcycles though.
The motorcycle death rate is about 26 per 100 million miles, about a fourth as dangerous as riding a scooter.

https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/f...rcycle-crashes
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Old 08-18-2019, 05:20 AM
 
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Either way, barriers protecting bikes and scooters from cars should be welcomed by all. Do you disagree?
I don’t disagree.
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Old 08-18-2019, 07:57 AM
 
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Good! I hope I will eventually be able to walk on a sidewalk around GSU campus without constantly watching my back for fear of being run over by a scooter driver. They need their own space.
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Old 08-18-2019, 12:34 PM
 
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The motorcycle death rate is about 26 per 100 million miles, about a fourth as dangerous as riding a scooter.

https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/f...rcycle-crashes
I don't see any stats on scooters in that link.

Also scooter trips are going to be much shorter than car trips. So long car trips in suburbia are still more dangerous than shorter urban trips on foot, bike, or scooter. Especially if you have good infrastructure that protects you from fast moving cars.
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Old 08-18-2019, 01:17 PM
 
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I don't see any stats on scooters in that link.

Also scooter trips are going to be much shorter than car trips. So long car trips in suburbia are still more dangerous than shorter urban trips on foot, bike, or scooter. Especially if you have good infrastructure that protects you from fast moving cars.
The scooter stats were in your original post......

As for vehicle deaths, the general rate is one fatality (vehicle, motorcycle, pedestrian, etc) per 86 million miles. There have been four scooter deaths in a little more than 2.2 million miles, or one every 500,000-600,000 miles. That is a rate nearly 150 times that of all vehicular deaths. Nothing will support your statement that "long car trips are more dangerous".
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