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Old Today, 12:36 AM
 
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You are both correct. Atlanta's public transportation system is an embarrassment. And for whatever reason, many people in Atlanta view the transportation system only as a way for poor folk to get around.
TBH I would like to know why this is. While transit across the US in general seems to be stigmatized for being a lower class means of transportation, that stigma seems like its multiplied 1000x in Atlanta versus other transit enabled metros.

I mean we could say its segregation but places like Chicago, New York, also have dominantly black areas and do not suffer anywhere nearly as bad in this aspect.

 
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TBH I would like to know why this is.

Decades of brainwashing.
 
Old Today, 08:31 AM
 
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Maybe the ATL has just gotten too big. I'd be willing to share some of our population with other cities, many of whom don't have enough.
Except the rallying cry of those other cities is always "We don't want to be another Atlanta." The folks who live there would promptly inform you that they already have enough people and don't want you wishing Atlanta's big city problems on them.
 
Old Today, 08:46 AM
 
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TBH I would like to know why this is. While transit across the US in general seems to be stigmatized for being a lower class means of transportation, that stigma seems like its multiplied 1000x in Atlanta versus other transit enabled metros.

I mean we could say its segregation but places like Chicago, New York, also have dominantly black areas and do not suffer anywhere nearly as bad in this aspect.
It's simply the history of the South in particular: when Blacks were granted equal access in the public realm, Whites started to abandon the public realm in favor of private(-esque) options. This point in time also happened to coincide with the establishment of MARTA and when Atlanta was evolving into a big city. Public transportation had long been ingrained into the psyche of cities like NYC and Chicago, well before the mid-20th century, and the way they are built makes transit more feasible and convenient to use. And this is just for starters; it's a much deeper issue.

That said, the stigma today isn't what it used to be. The packed parking deck at the North Springs MARTA station isn't due to working class folks exclusively.
 
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It's not just the stigma or branding. Look at the route maps for the two systems. The bus system in Washington has a pretty clear and concise route map, and it looks to be pretty easy to navigate using only a couple of busses to get to most locations. Contrast that to the MARTA bus map. It looks like a pile of spaghetti, with meandering lines largely focused towards downtown and midtown. It can often take at least 3, sometimes more transfers just to go 6-8 miles. That's a hard sell.
Its about service. If its bad service, people won't use it if they have an alternative.

From my experience in Houston, the routes that took an hour to get to downtown and took 3 times as long as driving seemed to get only people with no choice. I would find myself the only Anglo, the only one in a suit and one of a handful of people between 25 and 55. But the short inside the loop routes got a broad mix of people. The park n rides to the suburbs got mostly white collar people.
 
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Its about service. If its bad service, people won't use it if they have an alternative.

From my experience in Houston, the routes that took an hour to get to downtown and took 3 times as long as driving seemed to get only people with no choice. I would find myself the only Anglo, the only one in a suit and one of a handful of people between 25 and 55. But the short inside the loop routes got a broad mix of people. The park n rides to the suburbs got mostly white collar people.
I agree about the service being a big issue but I am also believing that the stigma largely prohibits MARTA from making functionality improvements.
 
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Its about service. If its bad service, people won't use it if they have an alternative.

From my experience in Houston, the routes that took an hour to get to downtown and took 3 times as long as driving seemed to get only people with no choice. I would find myself the only Anglo, the only one in a suit and one of a handful of people between 25 and 55. But the short inside the loop routes got a broad mix of people. The park n rides to the suburbs got mostly white collar people.
Just the fact that you had to put that you found yourself to be the only "Anglo" is concerning. Why does that even matter? Why does age matter? There is a reason white people weren't taking the buses with you, as I would imagine at least a solid chunk of white people were putting themselves in financial ruin due to their burning desire to use a car rather than the bus with the "non-Anglos."
 
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I would imagine at least a solid chunk of white people were putting themselves in financial ruin due to their burning desire to use a car rather than the bus with the "non-Anglos."
Seriously?
 
Old Today, 05:20 PM
 
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White folks used to ride the bus like crazy.
 
Old Today, 05:27 PM
 
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Seriously?
What are the other explanations for no white people using the bus system? Are they all wealthy?
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