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Old 09-04-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Definitely.

Waiting for the day when transit and bike riders also pay the REAL cost of their trips.
Please do tell how much a bicycle commute cost? Most streets that have bike lanes or are bicycle friendly are local streets, which are paid by property taxes. Also most cyclists own cars. The damage a bicycle does to infrastructure is not even measurable.
Transit is a public benefit, like public schools, YES streets, fire and police protection.

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Old 09-04-2019, 01:54 PM
 
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Glad to have drivers contributing more of their share toward car's expensive infrastructure costs!
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Old 09-04-2019, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Vinings
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They should convert this center lane to light rail, or bus-only gold standard rapid commuter BRT with in-line stations, and convert the 2 leftmost lanes next to it to Peach Pass. Then you'd still have like 3 or 4 regular lanes each way.
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Old 09-04-2019, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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They should convert this center lane to light rail, or bus-only gold standard rapid commuter BRT with in-line stations, and convert the 2 leftmost lanes next to it to Peach Pass. Then you'd still have like 3 or 4 regular lanes each way.
I like the idea of center lane BRT along 85, but there would have to be ramps constructed to reach Doraville Station.
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:55 PM
 
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Please do tell how much a bicycle commute cost?
I don't know. How do you know how much a car commute costs?

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Most streets that have bike lanes or are bicycle friendly are local streets, which are paid by property taxes.
So what. How is GDOT funded? Income tax? That's a lot more progressive than property tax because it's directly correlated with your ability to pay.

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Transit is a public benefit, like public schools, YES streets, fire and police protection.
If transit AND streets are both public benefits, why should they be treated differently? In fact, you could argue streets are an even BIGGER public benefit because without them, police and fire departments couldn't get around to do their jobs and help people. They could -- and do -- without transit.
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Old 09-04-2019, 08:36 PM
 
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So what. How is GDOT funded? Income tax? That's a lot more progressive than property tax because it's directly correlated with your ability to pay.
GDOT is funded largely by motor fuel tax. According to the 2018-2019 Budget Request, about 90% of state funding is through motor fuel taxes (user fees).

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If transit AND streets are both public benefits, why should they be treated differently? In fact, you could argue streets are an even BIGGER public benefit because without them, police and fire departments couldn't get around to do their jobs and help people. They could -- and do -- without transit.
They also provide direct access to pretty much every location in the city (and country), provide the base on which people ride bikes and scooters, and provide the routes for busses, BRT, LRT, etc.
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Old 09-05-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I don't know. How do you know how much a car commute costs?
https://newsroom.aaa.com/tag/driving-cost-per-mile/
For those prices you could buy several new, high end bikes a year.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:05 AM
 
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That's how much it costs car owners, not how much it costs the government.

Come on, CQ, you're better than this.
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Old 09-05-2019, 09:34 AM
 
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https://newsroom.aaa.com/tag/driving-cost-per-mile/
For those prices you could buy several new, high end bikes a year.
But, like, driving is, like, almost free!
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Of course they need MARTA.

But what they also need is to monitor the road enough to guarantee speeds of at least 45 mph. If that means the toll lane is $75, that's what it should be.

Another question is, what are they doing with all this money?
If you read the literature on the Express Lanes that I posted in the I-285 lanes thread....

GDOT says it has already spent current and future funding for the next 1-2 decades.

It says the money collected from [needing to dissuade enough drivers to maintain 45 mph in the HOT lanes]

are the only source of revenue for non-maintenance-related improvement projects from here on out.

The desires of the public to enter the free-flowing lane or not are determining the price.

It's fine if the price rises to $500 per trip as long as the lanes are flowing at 45mph or higher.


The lanes will be functioning as intended & that faster option will be there if you need it.


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As I've said many times before, all of your assets, your 401k, the cost of the food you eat, the cost of your Amazon packages are all indirectly dependent, influenced and determined by your state's roads and transportation network, the ease of mobility of goods in our consumer-driven (I wish it wasn't so much so) economy.

Even a road at the other end of the state that you'll never ride on.

The polarized haters of roads or mass-transit is such a waste of everyone's time.





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I'd like to know how much of I-85 traffic every day is going to destinations within a 1/2 mile radius of a MARTA station.

I predict it would be less than you think, however I still support expansion of heavy rail.

I think once MARTA starts taking delivery of the new rail cars people will see the system as being shiny and new and want to embrace it.
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