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Old Yesterday, 05:56 PM
 
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What's silly about it? A lot of folks are not into outsourcing public school money to private corporations. Especially the teachers who are out there on the front line.

If you ask me this is part of the ongoing multi-millionaire-ization of the city.
Amen, arjay.
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Old Yesterday, 06:10 PM
 
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Carstarphen has worn out her welcome at every stop in her career since she finished grad school. There were plenty of people in Austin eager to help her pack and in St. Paul before that and so on. Also, the current board didn’t hire her and undoubtedly would prefer to have their own hire especially if that person is going to be high maintenance.


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Sounds like she got cross-ways with the teachers union over outsourcing to charter schools.
While the AFT is a union, the Atlanta chapter is a professional association (no collective bargaining) that has limited influence at best. Most Atlanta teachers are not AFT members. While I think that teachers have had some influence in this process the notion that it’s the big bad teachers union vs business leaders is factually wrong and typically lazy reporting where education is concerned. Carstarphen is getting dumped because she sows division in every district where she’s worked.
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Old Yesterday, 07:10 PM
 
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Any examples of this "sowing of division"?

We need bold decisions in a system like APS. I am sure she has made some bad decisions, but any examples?
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Old Yesterday, 09:03 PM
 
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Carstarphen has worn out her welcome at every stop in her career since she finished grad school. There were plenty of people in Austin eager to help her pack and in St. Paul before that and so on. Also, the current board didn’t hire her and undoubtedly would prefer to have their own hire especially if that person is going to be high maintenance.




While the AFT is a union, the Atlanta chapter is a professional association (no collective bargaining) that has limited influence at best. Most Atlanta teachers are not AFT members. While I think that teachers have had some influence in this process the notion that it’s the big bad teachers union vs business leaders is factually wrong and typically lazy reporting where education is concerned. Carstarphen is getting dumped because she sows division in every district where she’s worked.
Beverly Hall went 11years and kept the BoE and the teacher’s union happy enough, I guess.
I am sure they will find another superintendent that will make them happy again.

yay.
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Old Yesterday, 09:35 PM
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Carstarphen has worn out her welcome at every stop in her career since she finished grad school. There were plenty of people in Austin eager to help her pack and in St. Paul before that and so on. Also, the current board didn’t hire her and undoubtedly would prefer to have their own hire especially if that person is going to be high maintenance.




While the AFT is a union, the Atlanta chapter is a professional association (no collective bargaining) that has limited influence at best. Most Atlanta teachers are not AFT members. While I think that teachers have had some influence in this process the notion that it’s the big bad teachers union vs business leaders is factually wrong and typically lazy reporting where education is concerned. Carstarphen is getting dumped because she sows division in every district where she’s worked.
She was on the verge of getting fired in Austin.

In fairness, 3-5 years has become standard at big city districts.
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Old Today, 02:29 AM
 
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Start at 36:35. This interview is about the rationale behind the non-renewal of the Superintendent’s contract by the APS Board Chair and Vice Chair. Sounds very political. Very telling...

https://www.wabe.org/episode/closer-...mjnhR4akzZRY6U
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Old Today, 04:49 AM
 
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Start at 36:35. This interview is about the rationale behind the non-renewal of the Superintendent’s contract by the APS Board Chair and Vice Chair. Sounds very political. Very telling...

https://www.wabe.org/episode/closer-...mjnhR4akzZRY6U
Well, only hearing from the pro-Carstarphen-folks (Jason Esteves, Chair of the Atlanta Board of Education, and Eshe Collins)—but, it sounds pretty awful. They said they were meeting goals and things were improving, but the “collaboration” wasn’t working, or something...
Really need to hear from the anti-Carstarphen board members—we deserve more than some vague—we just chose not to renew stuff.
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Old Today, 05:42 AM
 
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There are NO teacher's unions in Georgia. NONE.
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Old Today, 06:08 AM
 
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Beverly Hall went 11years and kept the BoE and the teacher’s union happy enough, I guess.
I am sure they will find another superintendent that will make them happy again.

yay.
Beverly Hall was despised by teachers. She stayed as long as she did because she had extremely powerful protectors in the business and political communities, basically the people who put her in the job in the first place. These were people who chose to loudly promote test score gains that anyone with any familiarity with them knew could only be achieved by cheating rather then investigating how such absurdly improbable gains were occurring. People who made sure that rumors of cheating and abusive treatment of staff remained out of the media. People who allowed her to conduct a sham investigation once wrongdoing finally started to be revealed. Teachers went to the media and also served as whistleblowers internally long before anyone took any action against Hall. The whistleblowers got abused for their effort and those who went to the media were ignored. You’re misinformed if you think that teachers anywhere in Georgia have the ability to get a superintendent replaced or kept on the job despite obvious and repeated misconduct.

Carstarphen’s tenure in Atlanta is close to a mirror image of what happened in Austin right down to being denied a contract extension.

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She was on the verge of getting fired in Austin.

In fairness, 3-5 years has become standard at big city districts.
Yes, she was. It’s a difficult and often thankless job and as you note most supers don’t stay long in any one job.

It’s fairly obvious that one of the things that got her the job in the first place, her bulldog personality, became a liability for her with a board who aren’t people who hired her and a district that isn’t in the immediate aftermath of a major scandal. The pro-charter side isn’t nearly as ascendant in general or on the board as it was when she was hired either. Her promotion of forced charter conversions of public schools and her subsequent handling of the response to them is one of the things got her effectively forced out of Austin and undoubtedly played a role this time as well.
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Old Today, 06:13 AM
 
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Well, only hearing from the pro-Carstarphen-folks (Jason Esteves, Chair of the Atlanta Board of Education, and Eshe Collins)—but, it sounds pretty awful. They said they were meeting goals and things were improving, but the “collaboration” wasn’t working, or something...
Really need to hear from the anti-Carstarphen board members—we deserve more than some vague—we just chose not to renew stuff.
Jason Esteves did not support renewing her contract (this time around, unlike last year). When Rose Scott pressed him for specific examples, he either couldn't or wouldn't. What's done is done, but if ABOE members want to keep this thing from going totally off the rails, they need to be frank with constituents about what informed their decisions. At this point I feel like they are all just waiting on their prepared remarks from the hired guns at a PR form before facing the public. There is understandable concern that because their appears to be zero consensus from board members about what her undoing was, they are poorly positioned to find and recruit a candidate to correct those flaws. On top of that, finding a new leader will be a two-way street. ABOE will have to do better than "well, we all have our reasons" to really sell someone to take a job where the last candidate was given walking papers in this manner. The number of suitable candidates for these jobs is a lot lower than the number of opportunities nationwide, and the way this transpired is probably a red flag for someone with options.

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