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Old 09-10-2019, 01:31 PM
 
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There is no vote. None. The only vote is to extend. This also wasn't news to Carstarphen who was informed back in July that she wasn't going to be retained. You are making this into something it isn't. She is a highly paid administrator who has mediocre results. She has alienated everyone around her everywhere she has been.
Given the challenges our system faces, I will take honest "mediocre results" over corruption and cheating.

Our schools seem to show some evidence of modest improvement over the last few years, and possibly an improvement in culture at the top. Show us evidence of dishonesty/corruption/lack of effort on Carstarphen's part, and skeptics would settle down. I don't think the school board has earned our trust enough that we just assume that they are the ones with nothing to hide here. If that were the case, then why the closed door meeting?
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Old 09-10-2019, 01:36 PM
 
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There is no vote. None. The only vote is to extend. This also wasn't news to Carstarphen who was informed back in July that she wasn't going to be retained. You are making this into something it isn't. She is a highly paid administrator who has mediocre results. She has alienated everyone around her everywhere she has been.
How do you know if there was a vote or not? It was a closed session.

Also, given that "majority of the board did not support extending Carstarphen’s contract." Clearly there was some sort of vote. Even it it was informal.

You are making it out that the APS board just accidentally forgot to renew her contract or something, which is clearly not the case.

And what "results" do you think have been mediocre? I am seriously asking. Because if there is a performance issue, that is a valid reason not to renew her contract. But no one seems to be offering any examples of that up.
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Old 09-10-2019, 02:03 PM
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Closed session? Why is it necessary to have a closed session?
Personnel issues are always closed session.
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Old 09-10-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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How do you know if there was a vote or not? It was a closed session.

Also, given that "majority of the board did not support extending Carstarphen’s contract." Clearly there was some sort of vote. Even it it was informal.

You are making it out that the APS board just accidentally forgot to renew her contract or something, which is clearly not the case.

And what "results" do you think have been mediocre? I am seriously asking. Because if there is a performance issue, that is a valid reason not to renew her contract. But no one seems to be offering any examples of that up.

Because a vote isn't required to not renew. Read the articles linked in this thread. That isn't the procedure they follow. A vote is only done to renew the contract. That doesn't mean they accidentally forgot it literally isn't the policy or rules they have. No such thing exists.
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Old 09-10-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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Because a vote isn't required to not renew. Read the articles linked in this thread. That isn't the procedure they follow. A vote is only done to renew the contract. That doesn't mean they accidentally forgot it literally isn't the policy or rules they have. No such thing exists.
We get that, but we're talking about the decision not to vote. How and why that decision was made. Surely there was a discussion, proponents and opponents to renewing her contract. Why was there no vote held? Who was for her and who was against her and why.
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Old 09-10-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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More food for thought...
https://waok.radio.com/articles/news...F_6FjLAFk_rQZQ
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Old 09-10-2019, 03:32 PM
 
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Because a vote isn't required to not renew. Read the articles linked in this thread. That isn't the procedure they follow. A vote is only done to renew the contract. That doesn't mean they accidentally forgot it literally isn't the policy or rules they have. No such thing exists.
Right. I didn't say otherwise. A formal vote or lack there of does not change anything. They voiced a majority of them did not want to renew her contract (which is still a vote).

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1. countable noun A vote is a choice made by a particular person or group in a meeting or an election.
He walked to the local polling place to cast his vote.
Mr. Reynolds was re-elected by 102 votes to 60.


2. countable noun A vote is an occasion when a group of people make a decision by each person indicating his or her choice. The choice that most people support is accepted by the group.
Why do you think we should have a vote on that?


3. singular noun The vote is the total number of votes or voters in an election, or the number of votes received or cast by a particular group.
Opposition parties won about fifty-five percent of the vote.


4. singular noun If you have the vote in an election, or have a vote in a meeting, you have the legal right to indicate your choice.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...y/english/vote

The question you are distracting from is: Why.
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:49 PM
 
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We get that, but we're talking about the decision not to vote. How and why that decision was made. Surely there was a discussion, proponents and opponents to renewing her contract. Why was there no vote held? Who was for her and who was against her and why.
Carstarphen was told the 2nd week of July she wasn’t going to be extended. This isn’t news to her. Discussion doesn’t equal a ‘vote’. She lost the confidence of the board. That doesn’t require a vote.
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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Right. I didn't say otherwise. A formal vote or lack there of does not change anything. They voiced a majority of them did not want to renew her contract (which is still a vote).

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us...y/english/vote

The question you are distracting from is: Why.
You did say otherwise in your initial post. A discussion is not a ‘vote’.
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Old 09-10-2019, 04:56 PM
 
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You did say otherwise in your initial post. A discussion is not a ‘vote’.
Whatever it was, given where the system was before she got here, the sort of decisions the board has made in the past, and the general positive things that folks have to say about her *in public*—the board’s (non?)action seems goofy at best, and beyond discouraging at worst!
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