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Old 09-10-2020, 11:05 AM
 
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https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atl...N7LZXOGG2YHYE/

Well, this article doesn't exactly make me want to jump on a city bus. What is the solution? Start charging fare again?
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Old 09-10-2020, 11:33 AM
 
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Just be relieved that MARTA rail violent crime is still far lower than it is on the dingy, dirty, dangerous San Francisco BART, which saw violent crime more than double from 2015 to 2019.

But yeah, I feel your pain. I am glad I live in the suburbs and drive mostly. When I visited Atlanta in February, the subway did have some shady characters, and as much as I love riding the subway, as cheap as it is for a tourist vs. renting a car or uber, the safety and cleanliness can really turn off would be riders.

We need a broken windows policing approach. They need to crack down hard on fare evasion, because that's really the slippery slope to increased crime.

https://nypost.com/2016/08/06/how-br...subway-system/

From the article: New Yorkers started shunning the subways. Between 1970 and 1980, annual ridership fell from nearly 1.3 billion trips to just over 1 billion, a percentage drop more than double the city’s 10 percent population loss.

Think about this: NYC subway ridership plummeted as crime increased, even though NYC is the most subway dependent city in the US and has the most people without cars! Subway riders in US cities like Atlanta are much more likely to have cars that they can drive if they think the subway is too dangerous. So ridership in Atlanta could plummet even faster than it did in NYC if crime continues to spike.
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Old 09-10-2020, 12:04 PM
 
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Just be relieved that MARTA rail violent crime is still far lower than it is on the dingy, dirty, dangerous San Francisco BART, which saw violent crime more than double from 2015 to 2019.

But yeah, I feel your pain. I am glad I live in the suburbs and drive mostly. When I visited Atlanta in February, the subway did have some shady characters, and as much as I love riding the subway, as cheap as it is for a tourist vs. renting a car or uber, the safety and cleanliness can really turn off would be riders.

We need a broken windows policing approach. They need to crack down hard on fare evasion, because that's really the slippery slope to increased crime.

https://nypost.com/2016/08/06/how-br...subway-system/

From the article: New Yorkers started shunning the subways. Between 1970 and 1980, annual ridership fell from nearly 1.3 billion trips to just over 1 billion, a percentage drop more than double the city’s 10 percent population loss.

Think about this: NYC subway ridership plummeted as crime increased, even though NYC is the most subway dependent city in the US and has the most people without cars! Subway riders in US cities like Atlanta are much more likely to have cars that they can drive if they think the subway is too dangerous. So ridership in Atlanta could plummet even faster than it did in NYC if crime continues to spike.
Sigh. Yet more news from the Murdock owned News Corp, also the owner of Fox. And an over 4 year old story at that...
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Old 09-10-2020, 12:14 PM
 
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Sigh. Yet more news from the Murdock owned News Corp, also the owner of Fox. And an over 4 year old story at that...
It's a story about the NYPDs success, being four years old doesn't change the story. Crime today will drive riders away, just like crime in the 70s and 80s did.

All sources have bias, don't tell me that your NYT or WaPo is more neutral. Rather than resort to ad hominem attacks on the source, maybe actually be open minded and see if it makes sense. Even a stopped clock is right sometimes.
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Old 09-10-2020, 12:41 PM
 
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Why do people think policing is the solution to everything. You can’t just allow our education and social systems to fail then just throw police at the result that comes out of that. Atlanta is city with the most income inequality in the country, how about we push Georgia lawmakers to address that.
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Old 09-10-2020, 12:46 PM
 
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It's a story about the NYPDs success, being four years old doesn't change the story. Crime today will drive riders away, just like crime in the 70s and 80s did.

All sources have bias, don't tell me that your NYT or WaPo is more neutral. Rather than resort to ad hominem attacks on the source, maybe actually be open minded and see if it makes sense. Even a stopped clock is right sometimes.
I don't want my news filtered through their warped mindset, thank you very much. The NYT and WaPo are on an entirely different level than a paper known for such headlines as 'Headless Woman in Topless Bar.' The NY Post is garbage journalism, and has been for years.
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Old 09-10-2020, 02:35 PM
 
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Why do people think policing is the solution to everything. You can’t just allow our education and social systems to fail then just throw police at the result that comes out of that. Atlanta is city with the most income inequality in the country, how about we push Georgia lawmakers to address that.
Throwing more money at the problem doesn’t necessarily address the source of it. Strong black people come from strong black families. Need a grassroots effort to encourage family values in the black community and build them up again from the ground up
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Old 09-10-2020, 02:54 PM
 
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Throwing more money at the problem doesn’t necessarily address the source of it. Strong black people come from strong black families. Need a grassroots effort to encourage family values in the black community and build them up again from the ground up
I agree but at the same time, I am personally beginning to feel there does need to be a stronger medium where efforts and success come together so to speak. I’m not saying that everyone should be hand fed but this nation is very quick to deliver (and keeping) financial prosperity to the wealthy whom have to provide considerably less effort than one trying to build his roots from less wealthy roots. Undoubtedly, anyone can make any goal post they put their mind to and no one should ever accept their roots as their ultimate fate, but I do believe it is considerably more difficult for minorities or people rooted without the same financial backing as certain classes of people... but the ones who do make it are considerably stronger and more well rounded people.
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Old 09-10-2020, 03:16 PM
 
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I agree but at the same time, I am personally beginning to feel there does need to be a stronger medium where efforts and success come together so to speak. I’m not saying that everyone should be hand fed but this nation is very quick to deliver (and keeping) financial prosperity to the wealthy whom have to provide considerably less effort than one trying to build his roots from less wealthy roots. Undoubtedly, anyone can make any goal post they put their mind to and no one should ever accept their roots as their ultimate fate, but I do believe it is considerably more difficult for minorities or people rooted without the same financial backing as certain classes of people... but the ones who do make it are considerably stronger and more well rounded people.

Really? Seems most minorities are doing very well for themselves in America. It starts with valuing education. It starts at home. No state or federal program is going to solve this problem you have to want to do it yourself.



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Old 09-10-2020, 03:30 PM
 
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Really? Seems most minorities are doing very well for themselves in America. It starts with valuing education. It starts at home. No state or federal program is going to solve this problem you have to want to do it yourself.


That’s a fair point, and I cannot refute that, however; it’s worth noting that those are household incomes. I don’t really consider two highly educated individuals bringing home $50k a year (or less) to be impressive. There is more to it than going to college, coming out with a degree and boom you make six figures. There does seem to be a considerable amount of people who have no or limited access to educational resources, primarily those with less financial resourceful backgrounds. The final salary isn’t the end of the game. A $100k salary isn’t very much if you spent $80k in college tuition and have interest backlogged through the rest of your career. Education costs money, student loan debt is one of the largest contenders to the millennial population disproportions of property ownership.

And honestly I don’t really consider $100k to be a high salary by today’s standards anymore either... especially in light of the elite that I am referring to.
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