Confederate Flags hanging proudly on side of some Atlanta metro homes (crimes, school)

[MMANN]

One thing to note, though. Back when I went to UGA, there was talk of removing the Confederate Memorial from its prominent location downtown to a cemetery. Makes you wonder where the line is drawn between 'offensive to some' and history. Vanderbilt had to rename Confederate Memorial Hall to simply Memorial Hall a couple of years ago. UGA renamed its own Confederate Memorial Hall to Memorial Hall back in the '80's, and placed the Affirmative Action offices in the building, I guess to make up for it.
Whats next though?
No more Confederate Memorial Day, because thats offensive?
No more Confederate Museums?
Remove all the Confederate Monuments in Southern Towns? Rename the "Confederate Burial Section" in Oakland Cemetery?
What would the reaction be if Atlanta embraced it's rich Civil War history by placing a Civil War Museum in the Centennial Olympic Park area, right across from the Center for Civil and Human Rights?

I think the confederate flag is tacky and redneck. But where do we draw the line between removing something because of it's 'offensive content' and competely abolishing history?

[Vampgrrl]

Actually Memorial Hall wasnt ever Confederate Memorial Hall at UGA. Memorial Hall is the names of battlefields near the cornice with WWI battlefields honoring the UGA students who died in Europe during that conflict.

Only problem with the Confederate flag is people stood by and allowed their flag to be co-opted by hate groups and even if it was done out of laziness and indifference...it is kind of hard to fix it after the fact.

[south-to-west]

Originally Posted by Vampgrrl

Only problem with the Confederate flag is people stood by and allowed their flag to be co-opted by hate groups and even if it was done out of laziness and indifference...it is kind of hard to fix it after the fact.

Wow! I couldn't have said it better myself.

Being black myself, I have no problem seeing the flag in a historical context, such as in Confederate cemetaries or Civil War monuments. However, given the divisive nature that the flag acquired after the Civil War and especially during the Civil Rights Movement, I feel it has no place as part of an official flag representing the people.

[RangerDuke08]

I think there are many misconceptions about the Civil War, I mean if only 6% of Southerners owned slaves, and the greatest General of the South, Robert E. Lee manumitted the slaves he inherited from his father-in-law in 1862, it is quite obvious most people didn't fight FOR slavery, but that of "State Rights", it is something that our founding fathers were proud of and according to Thomas Jefferson, the Union is a voluntary association of states. Today you only see in some States of the South perhaps in some States of the Rocky Mountain West as well, still willing to defend their state rights, others have submitted to Big government, Big businesses and Big taxes, though I am not a Southerner and I am sure there are some people who hang the flag for the wrong reason being bad apples are present everywhere, I am proud of the people today who continue to defend the constitution and protect the nation from enemies domestic and foreign.

[maddy1980]

Originally Posted by mslashondapjohnson

AND another thing that is your personal opinion sounds like I offended you more than they offended me which I just said I "I should mind my own business" and wouldn't that make you a hyprocrite because you are in my business to take the time out to go through what was said and respond and on the last note I just said would not be going there or moving there that's all ..LMAO :P

Just to say what I said to you in pm world this threaad if offensive to me because I am sick of my fellow black people worrying about things that shouyld not concern you. I understand you really didn't get offended by the flag just shocked so my beef is not with you. It is what other blacks who choose to ignore that black people are more likely to get robbed, murdered, or beaten by other blacks. And black on black violence should be our only concern because it has harmed more of us than the confederate soldiers or thier flag has. All us black people need to focus on is learning how to love and respect each other. This is not a personal attack agianst lashonda but it is one against black people who worry about things that doesn't affect them one way or the other.

[MMANN]

Originally Posted by Vampgrrl

Actually Memorial Hall wasnt ever Confederate Memorial Hall at UGA. Memorial Hall is the names of battlefields near the cornice with WWI battlefields honoring the UGA students who died in Europe during that conflict

How sure are you about this? If you walk in the building from Sanford Stadium there is a plaque saying Confederate Memorial Hall on the wall. Unless there used to be a Confederate Memorial Hall in the same place, I am pretty sure it used to be called this.

[south-to-west]

Originally Posted by RangerDuke08

I think there are many misconceptions about the Civil War, I mean if only 6% of Southerners owned slaves, and the greatest General of the South, Robert E. Lee manumitted the slaves he inherited from his father-in-law in 1862, it is quite obvious most people didn't fight FOR slavery, but that of "State Rights", it is something that our founding fathers were proud of and according to Thomas Jefferson, the Union is a voluntary association of states. Today you only see in some States of the South perhaps in some States of the Rocky Mountain West as well, still willing to defend their state rights, others have submitted to Big government, Big businesses and Big taxes, though I am not a Southerner and I am sure there are some people who hang the flag for the wrong reason being bad apples are present everywhere, I am proud of the people today who continue to defend the constitution and protect the nation from enemies domestic and foreign.

Actually 20% of the population in the South owned slaves. Make no mistake, some of the richest men in the world at that time lived in the Mississippi Delta and other areas of the South and their wealth came from cotton. Free labor contributed greatly to keeping their costs competitive in the world economy and they saw Lincoln and his Republican Party as a threat. Slavery has a lot to do with the Civil War.

[TakeAhike]

Originally Posted by south-to-west

Actually 20% of the population in the South owned slaves. Make no mistake, some of the richest men in the world at that time lived in the Mississippi Delta and other areas of the South and their wealth came from cotton. Free labor contributed greatly to keeping their costs competitive in the world economy and they saw Lincoln and his Republican Party as a threat. Slavery has a lot to do with the Civil War.

Someone must have done a study on 'Favorite Online Forum Topics' and I know 'The South/Civil War/Confederate Flag must be in the top 3.

The next poster will certainly tell you that the real issue was 'State's Rights' and much more.

I once saw a thread where the poster linked the Civil War/Confederate Flag to the royal family, neonazis and masons. There is some truth to that--far more than I ever wanted to know.

All I have to contribute is that someday soon I plan to read 'Rhett Butler's People'. I absolutely hated 'Scarlett', sequel to GWTW.
So tired of that era but I can understand why it is interesting to some.

I think VA gets off too easy. LOL. Fortunate to have had Thomas Jefferson as a native son, although he had his flaws.

[Vampgrrl]

Originally Posted by MMANN

How sure are you about this? If you walk in the building from Sanford Stadium there is a plaque saying Confederate Memorial Hall on the wall. Unless there used to be a Confederate Memorial Hall in the same place, I am pretty sure it used to be called this.

I am sure.

Memorial Hall opened in 1929 as a memorial to UGA students killed in World War I and was the main student union until the Tate Student Center opened in 1983

University of Georgia | Campus Life | Facilities | Memorial Hall
Memorial Hall (University of Georgia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

[southernky]

i'm from kentucky and we say the flag is about "pride not prejudice" or "heritage not hate" and many flags flying are emblazoned with one or the other message. Being a southern border state, we're the first place folks encounter the flag flying. For the person who said rebellion against our government is illegal, i say i never want to live in a country where that's true. While closely tied to slavery, the civil war was also about the fact that the north exploited the south's natural resources. Regardless if you have 1 hand or 100 hands on your farm, the climate allowed cotton to be grown, impossible in the north.... the same with other important crops like hemp, tobacco, jute, rice, etc. The north built up an unfair dependance on southern goods, if there weren't slaves, the land would still have been used the same way. But there were slaves unfortunately and ignorant people who've no knowledge of southern ways jump on that as the standard of beliefs for any use of that flag. When i was a child in the 80's my family hung the flag, and i had a lil kids trucker hat with the flag on it, and as someone said it just meant "hey we're proud to be southern". Thats why I, many kentuckians, and other southerners wear and fly the flag... we're proud to be in this warm enchanting land that is culturally, climatically, linguistically, and taxonomically wholly unique from the other areas of the country, has done more to define its own culture than any other region of the country, and done more to define a uniquely American culture at that. Rebels in the civil war fought for the very rights this country was founded upon. The negative use of the flag currently outweighs the positive, and this is in part due to the media which shapes public personas by presenting negative stereotypes as fact. Uneducated country folks latch onto that image as inevitable or the only acceptable character to play and run with it; the same way uneducated black children in ghettos latch onto the rap or gangsta image and pursue it as "the only way i'll get outta here". For people done trying to grasp immature labels or images there can be a close spiritual and emotional tie to their native environment away from all modern convenience. We look through the eyes of the people who first entered the south through the lower ohio valley and the atlantic coast and see that we are truly blessed with infinite potential and inspiration. So we fly a flag that reminds us of people wrong or right in their personal beliefs willing to give theirs lives to keep intact the distinct southern wilderness and lifestyle. The south grew closer after the civil war, and those ties still hold strong in the hearts of true southerners. We're not all racist, we're not all ignorant. The south has been the foundation for american cuisine, literature, MUSIC, and many other unescapable facets of our current society. The death of this pride is in the stereotyping of our many people, negative media, and more often than not its Northerners who can't let go of the fact that we once allowed slavery. There are black folk here who wear cowboy hats and rebel flag belt buckles, and they sit next to rebel flag wearing whiteboys when they want their beans and cornbread. These yankees tell us to get over a war that involves our great-great grandparents, when all they think is that we want to remember slavery. I don't want to remember slavery the way Midwesterners don't want to remember the countless native americans killed and kicked out of the land they'd held for millenia. It is a sorepoint in human history the way we used to believe the world was flat, and people who didn't would be burned. The flag stands as a symbol for such undying love for a land that we would give up this earthly body if it were to keep Dixie safe, and I would today. Pride not Prejudice