Confederate Flags hanging proudly on side of some Atlanta metro homes (people, fly)

[atlantagreg30127]

Originally Posted by southernky

i'm from kentucky and we say the flag is about "pride not prejudice" or "heritage not hate" and many flags flying are emblazoned with one or the other message. Being a southern border state, we're the first place folks encounter the flag flying. For the person who said rebellion against our government is illegal, i say i never want to live in a country where that's true. While closely tied to slavery, the civil war was also about the fact that the north exploited the south's natural resources. Regardless if you have 1 hand or 100 hands on your farm, the climate allowed cotton to be grown, impossible in the north.... the same with other important crops like hemp, tobacco, jute, rice, etc. The north built up an unfair dependance on southern goods, if there weren't slaves, the land would still have been used the same way. But there were slaves unfortunately and ignorant people who've no knowledge of southern ways jump on that as the standard of beliefs for any use of that flag. When i was a child in the 80's my family hung the flag, and i had a lil kids trucker hat with the flag on it, and as someone said it just meant "hey we're proud to be southern". Thats why I, many kentuckians, and other southerners wear and fly the flag... we're proud to be in this warm enchanting land that is culturally, climatically, linguistically, and taxonomically wholly unique from the other areas of the country, has done more to define its own culture than any other region of the country, and done more to define a uniquely American culture at that. Rebels in the civil war fought for the very rights this country was founded upon. The negative use of the flag currently outweighs the positive, and this is in part due to the media which shapes public personas by presenting negative stereotypes as fact. Uneducated country folks latch onto that image as inevitable or the only acceptable character to play and run with it; the same way uneducated black children in ghettos latch onto the rap or gangsta image and pursue it as "the only way i'll get outta here". For people done trying to grasp immature labels or images there can be a close spiritual and emotional tie to their native environment away from all modern convenience. We look through the eyes of the people who first entered the south through the lower ohio valley and the atlantic coast and see that we are truly blessed with infinite potential and inspiration. So we fly a flag that reminds us of people wrong or right in their personal beliefs willing to give theirs lives to keep intact the distinct southern wilderness and lifestyle. The south grew closer after the civil war, and those ties still hold strong in the hearts of true southerners. We're not all racist, we're not all ignorant. The south has been the foundation for american cuisine, literature, MUSIC, and many other unescapable facets of our current society. The death of this pride is in the stereotyping of our many people, negative media, and more often than not its Northerners who can't let go of the fact that we once allowed slavery. There are black folk here who wear cowboy hats and rebel flag belt buckles, and they sit next to rebel flag wearing whiteboys when they want their beans and cornbread. These yankees tell us to get over a war that involves our great-great grandparents, when all they think is that we want to remember slavery. I don't want to remember slavery the way Midwesterners don't want to remember the countless native americans killed and kicked out of the land they'd held for millenia. It is a sorepoint in human history the way we used to believe the world was flat, and people who didn't would be burned. The flag stands as a symbol for such undying love for a land that we would give up this earthly body if it were to keep Dixie safe, and I would today. Pride not Prejudice

I stopped reading about 25 words into this - why? One word folks - PARAGRAPHS.

[lezvandyke]

Those rednecks and hillbillies lost.

The South is not gonna riiiiiiiiise again.

I personally don't give a **** about that flag. I mean look at 'em, those who wave that flag are usually poor trash.

[nyxmike]

Originally Posted by southernky

i'm from kentucky and we say the flag is about "pride not prejudice" or "heritage not hate" and many flags flying are emblazoned with one or the other message. Being a southern border state, we're the first place folks encounter the flag flying. For the person who said rebellion against our government is illegal, i say i never want to live in a country where that's true. While closely tied to slavery, the civil war was also about the fact that the north exploited the south's natural resources. Regardless if you have 1 hand or 100 hands on your farm, the climate allowed cotton to be grown, impossible in the north.... the same with other important crops like hemp, tobacco, jute, rice, etc. The north built up an unfair dependance on southern goods, if there weren't slaves, the land would still have been used the same way. But there were slaves unfortunately and ignorant people who've no knowledge of southern ways jump on that as the standard of beliefs for any use of that flag. When i was a child in the 80's my family hung the flag, and i had a lil kids trucker hat with the flag on it, and as someone said it just meant "hey we're proud to be southern". Thats why I, many kentuckians, and other southerners wear and fly the flag... we're proud to be in this warm enchanting land that is culturally, climatically, linguistically, and taxonomically wholly unique from the other areas of the country, has done more to define its own culture than any other region of the country, and done more to define a uniquely American culture at that. Rebels in the civil war fought for the very rights this country was founded upon. The negative use of the flag currently outweighs the positive, and this is in part due to the media which shapes public personas by presenting negative stereotypes as fact. Uneducated country folks latch onto that image as inevitable or the only acceptable character to play and run with it; the same way uneducated black children in ghettos latch onto the rap or gangsta image and pursue it as "the only way i'll get outta here". For people done trying to grasp immature labels or images there can be a close spiritual and emotional tie to their native environment away from all modern convenience. We look through the eyes of the people who first entered the south through the lower ohio valley and the atlantic coast and see that we are truly blessed with infinite potential and inspiration. So we fly a flag that reminds us of people wrong or right in their personal beliefs willing to give theirs lives to keep intact the distinct southern wilderness and lifestyle. The south grew closer after the civil war, and those ties still hold strong in the hearts of true southerners. We're not all racist, we're not all ignorant. The south has been the foundation for american cuisine, literature, MUSIC, and many other unescapable facets of our current society. The death of this pride is in the stereotyping of our many people, negative media, and more often than not its Northerners who can't let go of the fact that we once allowed slavery. There are black folk here who wear cowboy hats and rebel flag belt buckles, and they sit next to rebel flag wearing whiteboys when they want their beans and cornbread. These yankees tell us to get over a war that involves our great-great grandparents, when all they think is that we want to remember slavery. I don't want to remember slavery the way Midwesterners don't want to remember the countless native americans killed and kicked out of the land they'd held for millenia. It is a sorepoint in human history the way we used to believe the world was flat, and people who didn't would be burned. The flag stands as a symbol for such undying love for a land that we would give up this earthly body if it were to keep Dixie safe, and I would today. Pride not Prejudice

Northern people also had family fight and die in that war and they don't continue to lament over it today. And by the way, the South refused to compromise and attacked a U.S. military installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina which pretty much began the Civil War. Also, most of the people who fought in that war didn't even want to, but they had no choice. The whole thing was unnecessary.

Also, a lot of people who live in the North today had nothing to do with the Civil War. Can't label us all "yankees". A lot of people came to this country afterwards.

Finally, this is America. The American flag is our flag, not the confederate flag. It is history and yes, it is also a racist symbol. Watch documentaries on segregation and integration. What flag are a bunch of white people flying when the first black students were allowed to go to school with other whites? The confederate flag. If you are proud of your "heritage" fly the Kentucky (or wherever you are from) flag or symbol. I see plenty of "Carolina Girls: Best in the world" or the SC symbol with the moon and palmetto tree or Tarheel this, etc (you know, normal things). There are lots of other ways to express your "heritage" and you know it.

[mysticsun]

Originally Posted by atlantagreg30127

I stopped reading about 25 words into this - why? One word folks - PARAGRAPHS.

That is all you observed from the content of that message,he did not use paragraphs? Hum.

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by mysticsun

That is all you observed from the content of that message,he did not use paragraphs? Hum.

When a posting is hard to read (be it from a lack of paragraphs or a bad font choice), I tend to bail as well. I read almost 100 forums a day (most of them not on C-D), and I don't have to time to try to wade through some idiot's online version of Finnigans Wake.

Of course, such postings seem to be very rare here. Thankfully.

[atlantagreg30127]

Originally Posted by mysticsun

That is all you observed from the content of that message,he did not use paragraphs? Hum.

When after a few lines I start going into a daze trying to get my brain to separate the stuff, yes, that's all I get out of it. I know this sounds crappy the way I'm wording it, but I'm not interested in the ideas of someone who never made it past the 1st grade level of, "how to compose a paragraph".

If someone were to walk up to you and start speaking for 10 minutes without pausing once, chances are you'd go mentally knumb. Same thing (for me) with a 6 inch long paragraph on a screen inches from my face.

[ljse]

Some of yall need to get over the confederate flag. I live in alabama and i fly the flag proudly. Some of you probably thing that means i hate colored people, but your wrong. I fly the confederate flag because i am proud of my southern heratage. And for your information the only people who get fussy over the confederat flag are people from other parts of the country. Even the blacks for the most part down here could care less about the flag. So if your offended by the confederate flag than do everone a favor and dont move to a southern state and complain about are flag.

[Highriser987]

I still never understand the whole theory of the flag issue. Why is it black people can have their Malcom X flags or t-shirts and no one makes a big deal about that, but then a white person, who may have deep southern roots in their family want to fly the confederate flag and people go nuts! Half the time its usually people coming into their town or neighborhood they grew up in from out of state or another part of the country and start running their mouths or complaining. Well then stay where your at if your gonna run all over people who are natives.

Heres another bit of insight into the whole thing with the confederate flag;

It is necessary to disclaim any connection of these flags to neo-nazis, red-necks, skin-heads and the like. These groups have adopted this flag and desecrated it by their acts. They have no right to use this flag - it is a flag of honor, designed by the confederacy as a banner representing state's rights and still revered by the South. In fact, under attack, it still flies over the South Carolina capitol building. The South denies any relation to these hate groups and denies them the right to use the flags of the confederacy for any purpose. The crimes committed by these groups under the stolen banner of the conderacy only exacerbate the lies which link the seccesion to slavery interests when, from a Southerner's view, the cause was state's rights.

[plessthanpointohfive]

Highriser - the rebel flag was simply a battle flag. It was not the official flag of the Confederacy.

[plessthanpointohfive]

Yeah, the battle was about the state's rights to allow ownership of human beings....