RacialMake-up in Lilburn (Atlanta, Forsyth, Baldwin: gated, budget, for sale)

[mochamomnva]

Ok City-data people, I need some help! We just moved to Lilburn. We are coming from the North, where you already know the racial make-up is pretty diversed. Everyone lives amongst each other, regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, etc... Since I have been in Lilburn, I have noticed how everyone segregates themselves amongst their own. The whites and blacks mingle and converse ok. No problems there. The issue is that the Asians, Indians, and Pakistans, have little or nothing to say to the blacks or whites. Weird huh? Our neighborhood is like a ghost town. The Asians play outside with their own, the Indians and so forth. Let me clarify, the younger children play with their own, since they are supervised by the adults. The older children (upper elementary, middle and high school), play together with no hesitation. I guess these kids have learn to get along. After all they are in school together all day. My question is this....are the adults/parents so ignorant to diversity that they would blatently, openly walk past your home while you are out watering the grass, playing sidewalk chalk with your toddler, and they don't even bother to wave back or look your way? I am not used to this, and my kids aren't either. Please let me know that I am not the only one. Your response is appreciated.

American borned and raised,but accepts everyone for who they are.

[mrdkb]

Originally Posted by mochamomnva

Ok City-data people, I need some help! We just moved to Lilburn. We are coming from the North, where you already know the racial make-up is pretty diversed. Everyone lives amongst each other, regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, etc... Since I have been in Lilburn, I have noticed how everyone segregates themselves amongst their own. The whites and blacks mingle and converse ok. No problems there. The issue is that the Asians, Indians, and Pakistans, have little or nothing to say to the blacks or whites. Weird huh? Our neighborhood is like a ghost town. The Asians play outside with their own, the Indians and so forth. Let me clarify, the younger children play with their own, since they are supervised by the adults. The older children (upper elementary, middle and high school), play together with no hesitation. I guess these kids have learn to get along. After all they are in school together all day. My question is this....are the adults/parents so ignorant to diversity that they would blatently, openly walk past your home while you are out watering the grass, playing sidewalk chalk with your toddler, and they don't even bother to wave back or look your way? I am not used to this, and my kids aren't either. Please let me know that I am not the only one. Your response is appreciated.

American borned and raised,but accepts everyone for who they are.

Hi mochamomnva, Self Segragation is the way that it is in most of the country. I am from New York, LI and LI is completely segregated as is NYC/Queens/Brooklyn/Bronx in terms of neighborhoods. Here's a fact - or the problem. If an area is predominately white and has a growing black population that is "spreading out" (increasing at an increasing rate) and not contained in a small area, whites will leave as soon as the black pop. gets to 45-50% of the pop. Now 45-50% is in GA an other Southern States. On LI, as soon as that number is about 26%, whites will not buy a home there (Baldwin LI is an example even though in this rare case the elementary schools are doing extremely well and are 85% black).

Now Now If Indians, Asians, etc.. move in and are 30% of the population whites will stay because many of the Indians/Asians are not "Americanized", they stay to themselves, and their children study, study, study - pushing up the SAT scores (See Parkview HS). So why is it the blacks and whites cannot live together when the population is 50-50? Those old race wounds (on both sides) run deep. This an American Problem or Just What it means to be American. Nothing wrong with that?

[mochamomnva]

Thanks for the feedback. Never put it in that perspective. This is why I asked for input. Racism still exists today. There are a few good people like myself that judges a book for what's inside vs. the cover.

[mrdkb]

Originally Posted by mochamomnva

Thanks for the feedback. Never put it in that perspective. This is why I asked for input. Racism still exists today. There are a few good people like myself that judges a book for what's inside vs. the cover.

White flight does not exist when blacks are in the minority. Neither do racial problems to the extent that they might exist given a different set og demongraphics. Of course, whites will say that when blacks move in the schools suffer, crime, goes up, etc... Some of this is true because a) about 65% of all black households are single parent households and b) blacks on average make less $$ than whites even when blacks have the same qualifications (Very true in NY - and don't even try to get a professional well paying job on LI). But the biggest problem to white flight is RESOURCE FLIGHT. Once the For Sale signs go up, the teacher transfers start and less qualified teachers are hired and the budget for the police force eventually increases. Then then stores reolocate (See Highway 78 - Shiloh HS, whose demographic population flipped in a 2-3 year period. Google Geogia Government Student Achievement website and look at the demographic patterns). By the way, the Shiloh HS area - despite white flight is a very very nice area.

The other side of this, however, is that before blacks began to move in, many of the same "problems" or issues at school occured with white kids. That is white middle class and white poor kids. And recently, upper class whites have experienced the same problems (drugs, fighting, lower test scores, etc...)

The problem is race. If as a black person you want to avoid race problems (negative elements of the black community, self segregation, etc...) then move to an area or established school district that has a small cluster or population of blacks but is mostly white, middle-upper class (with a professional workforce prescence). That is the best scenario for having a good night sleep when you are raising black children and do not want to deal with what I call THE ISSUE (Race in America).

The other thing you'll want to do is to ensure that the greater area (county are surrounding towns) have multiply ethinc groups. Gwinnett seems to fit that mold. But will the experiment work in the South. Will whites flee to Forsyth County? Gwinnett Public Schools are probaly about 50% white (including Budford, Greater Atlanta Christian, and Weslyn), 25% black, and the rest Indian and Asian.

[postprime]

Originally Posted by mochamomnva

Ok City-data people, I need some help! We just moved to Lilburn. We are coming from the North, where you already know the racial make-up is pretty diversed. Everyone lives amongst each other, regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, etc... Since I have been in Lilburn, I have noticed how everyone segregates themselves amongst their own. The whites and blacks mingle and converse ok. No problems there. The issue is that the Asians, Indians, and Pakistans, have little or nothing to say to the blacks or whites. Weird huh? Our neighborhood is like a ghost town. The Asians play outside with their own, the Indians and so forth. Let me clarify, the younger children play with their own, since they are supervised by the adults. The older children (upper elementary, middle and high school), play together with no hesitation. I guess these kids have learn to get along. After all they are in school together all day. My question is this....are the adults/parents so ignorant to diversity that they would blatently, openly walk past your home while you are out watering the grass, playing sidewalk chalk with your toddler, and they don't even bother to wave back or look your way? I am not used to this, and my kids aren't either. Please let me know that I am not the only one. Your response is appreciated.

American borned and raised,but accepts everyone for who they are.

One thing about Lilburn is the high percentage of illegal immigants who live there. I would imagine this has caused resentment among long time residents. By the way, there is a novel called A Free Life by the Chinese-born writer Ha Jin that depicts the (legal) immigrant experience in and around Lilburn.

[mrdkb]

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people...Luck 21:23

NOW ADD IN THE FACT THAT YOU ARE RAISING BLACK CHILDREN

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Blah, Blah, Blah..."the north is diverse, the south isn't" spewage.

Facts are that the south is much more diverse than the north, and that the races are separated as much, if not more up north than they are in the south.

Your viewpoints are based on stereotypes and hold no water in this modern era.

Personally, I think that the U.S. should maintain a white majority, forever, as that was the original intent, and I see a series of forces destroying most white nations around the world. However, I dislike dishonesty and superficial thinking. I like truth.

[postprime]

Originally Posted by Scraper Enthusiast

Blah, Blah, Blah..."the north is diverse, the south isn't" spewage.

Facts are that the south is much more diverse than the north, and that the races are separated as much, if not more up north than they are in the south.

Your viewpoints are based on stereotypes and hold no water in this modern era.

Personally, I think that the U.S. should maintain a white majority, forever, as that was the original intent, and I see a series of forces destroying most white nations around the world. However, I dislike dishonesty and superficial thinking. I like truth.

Whose original intent? Maybe they should have that wrote down somewhere. I can't seem to find it in the Constitution.

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by postprime

Whose original intent? Maybe they should have that wrote down somewhere. I can't seem to find it in the Constitution.

I'm sure that you're all for the destruction of white societies and countries, as is occurring in western and Central Europe, as well as the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. After all, it's cool to be anti-white and pro-diversity. Live it up while you can, for any white nation will fall at the hand of non-white immigration. They already are, and the "writing is on the wall" unless something changes soon.

[mochamomnva]

Whooaaa conspiracy theory! I am an American. Born and raised in the South! I was simply questioning the huge number of immigrants in the Lilburn area, and their neative attitudes towards whites and blacks. They segregate themselves amongst their own kind, and act as if we have violated them if we shop at their businesses or move next door to them, when this is our country that our ancestors have fought to preserve. Let me shed some light. Most immigrants look down on the US culture anyway for various reasons such as: lack of family and religious values. If anything...it could be an anti-American problem vs. trying to wipe out the white race! Ridiculous!