Name Recognition:Atlanta or Houston (Dallas: construction, live in, move)

[grindin]

Originally Posted by JPD

What facts do you have to back this up?

In what way is Houston more influential than Austin?

Well, I think in terms of sheer population and industry, Houston has an advantage over Austin. With Dell being headquartered in Austin, it has it's own influence in the world. Music? That's subjective. Of course, I think what's coming from SXSW may be more influential than the Chopped-and-screwed stuff that comes out of Houston, but I don't listen to either, so it has no impact on me.

I will say that H-town's energy industry is influential to the country in it's own way.

Questions like this are way too subjective to really get a true answer. Everyone has their own opinion on what makes their city so special to them.

[Miami305Kid]

Originally Posted by grindin

I think Dallas would be the most recognizable with Houston not too far behind. It always seems that Dallas has overshadowed Houston until quite recently. The TV Show, The Cowboys football team, etc. For many years, Dallas was the largest city in Texas. It was Air Conditioning that helped H-town surpass D-Town in the population game.

I see you're from Florida. What is the more well-known city in Florida? I'd say it's a tossup between Miami and Orlando, and both are well known for various reasons.

I would say it's a tie between Miami and Orlando. Also the most underrated city in Florida is Jacksonville it has 800,000 people (double the population of Miami) and it is one of the largest cities area wise in the U.S.

[JPD]

I have no idea what "name recognition" means in the context of this thread. To my way of thinking, population means absolutely nothing when it comes to name recognition.

To illustrate this, probably just as many people, if not more, know about the tiny town of Chattanooga thanks to the song "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" as know about the enormous city of Houston as a result of Dell being headquartered there.

[Miami305Kid]

Originally Posted by JPD

What facts do you have to back this up?

In what way is Houston more influential than Austin? To name two examples, the amount of influence Austin City Limits has had on TV, and SXSW has had on Music (and in recent years, film) is massive.

Okay, first of all Houston has 2.14 million people while Austin has 700,000 so Houston dominates Austin in sheer size alone. Houston has the most fortune 500 compaines in any U.S city besides NYC. Houston is also home to a wide variety of industries such as technology, aeronautics, and manufacturing. Houston's theater district rakes in more than 7 million visitors a year. Houston is also to hip-hop artists such as Chamillionaire, Paul Wall, Geto Boyz etc. and is credited with being the birthplace of chopped-n'-screwed music. Houston is also a diverse city and is home to many whites, blacks, asians, latinos, pacific islanders etc. Houston also has the largest vietnamese population in Texas (85,000 people) and has other ethnic enclaves. 1.1 million people who live in the Houston metro were born outside the U.S.A which shows how Houston has international significance. Houston is well known as Space City because of the work it did with NASA. Houston is home to many arts which can bee seen at the Houston Grande Opera the Houston Ballet, the museum district etc. Austin has no proffesional sports teams in the NBA, MLB, or NFL while Houston has the Houston Rockets, the Houston Astros, and the Houston Texans. Houston's skyline has been ranked 4th best in the U.S.A and downtown Houston has grown significantly over the years. Houston is home to over 55 colleges/universites and take education very seriously. So I think it is safe to say that Houston is infact larger, and more influential than Austin.

Oh and P.S, If you still think Austin is more influential good for you, there are no facts on whether determining one city is more influential than another it's just something you know, like everyone knows NYC is better than Camden, New Jersey but they're no facts to prove that because it's just an opinon.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by Miami305Kid

credited with being the birthplace of chopped-n'-screwed music

What is that? I've never heard of it until today, and I read dozens of music related websites/message boards/magazines on a regular basis. Must be pretty obscure.

As I mentioned previously, population, and for that matter, diversity, does not necessarily equal greater name recognition. Ask the people of the tiny and un-diverse town of Loch Ness.

[Kofi713]

Originally Posted by grindin

I think Dallas would be the most recognizable with Houston not too far behind. It always seems that Dallas has overshadowed Houston until quite recently. The TV Show, The Cowboys football team, etc. For many years, Dallas was the largest city in Texas. It was Air Conditioning that helped H-town surpass D-Town in the population game.

I see you're from Florida. What is the more well-known city in Florida? I'd say it's a tossup between Miami and Orlando, and both are well known for various reasons.

Dallas was ahead of Houston (city wise) for about three to five years in the early part of the 20th Century. Dallas has never overshadowed Houston, and vice versa. One never completely topped the other at anytime.

People from Dallas will tell you this, and people from Houston will tell you this. Ask them :

http://www.houstonarchitecture.info/...ex.php?act=idx

http://forum.dallasmetropolis.com/

[JPD]

Originally Posted by Miami305Kid

credited with being the birthplace of chopped-n'-screwed music

What is that? I've never heard of it until today, and I read dozens of music related websites/message boards/magazines on a regular basis. Must be pretty obscure.

As I mentioned previously, population, and for that matter, diversity, does not necessarily equal greater name recognition. Ask the people of the sparsely populated, and un-diverse area of Loch Ness.

[Kofi713]

Originally Posted by JPD

What is that? I've never heard of it until today, and I read dozens of music related websites/message boards/magazines on a regular basis. Must be pretty obscure.

As I mentioned previously, population, and for that matter, diversity, does not necessarily equal greater name recognition. Ask the people of the tiny and un-diverse town of Loch Ness.

Wow. Chopped and screwed is pretty big. It blew up nationwide in 2005. Many mainstream artists from places across the country had Houston DJs chop and screw their CDs. Many released double disks, with one being normal, and the other being screwed.

And you HONESTLY think Austin is more influential than Houston? Shows how much (well little) you know.

[Miami305Kid]

Originally Posted by JPD

What is that? I've never heard of it until today, and I read dozens of music related websites/message boards/magazines on a regular basis. Must be pretty obscure.

As I mentioned previously, population, and for that matter, diversity, does not necessarily equal greater name recognition. Ask the people of the tiny and un-diverse town of Loch Ness.

1) Chopped and Screwed is a way of remixing music. It's when you slow down the tempo, and you do stuff like skipping beats, record scratching, and adding other affects, the result a "chopped" verison of the orignal song. This style of music origniated in Houston, Texas by DJ screw. It's kinda obscure, if you're into rap you're more likely to know what it is, and also many people may hear it but might not recogize the style or know what it's called

2) True, however I was referring to how Houston's greater diversity shows how it has a greater influence internationally than Austin.

[grindin]

Originally Posted by Kofi713

Dallas was ahead of Houston (city wise) for about three to five years in the early part of the 20th Century. Dallas has never overshadowed Houston, and vice versa. One never completely topped the other at anytime.

People from Dallas will tell you this, and people from Houston will tell you this. Ask them :

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I'm not talking about in terms of population, but in terms of prominence. Yes, Houston surpassed Dallas to be the states largest city in the 1930's, but Dallas 'grew-up' so to speak a bit earlier than Houston did. Dallas had the repuation as the 'moneyed' (Federal Reserve is there) white-collar oil town with large transportation infrastructure while Houston had the repuation as the hard working blue collar oil town.