Name Recognition:Atlanta or Houston (Dallas: office, corporate, location)

[Kofi713]

Originally Posted by JPD

Actually, the 63 are only from the first page. I didn't even realize there were 6 pages. So the actual number would probably be something closer to 300-400 non-USA bands.

No sir. There are only 100 bands on the first page, in which ten are from outside the US.

http://2008.sxsw.com/music/showcases/alpha/0.html

[rasta empress]

^^^^ I went back through a bit more carefully because the Canadian bands are listed in the same manner as the American bands which is misleading- its still less than 40. But whatever my point still stands one band from Jamaica or Tokyo, Japan doesn't give a city name recognition in a foreign country. That is a faulty premise. I would be much better prepared to give you international name recognition based on perhaps a significant foreign population or something that is instantly recognisable outside the US.

People in the US know about Austin to be sure but outside of the US Texas means Houston or Dallas and not much more.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by Kofi713

No sir. There are only 100 bands on the first page, in which ten are from outside the US.

http://2008.sxsw.com/music/showcases/alpha/0.html

Wrong again, rasta.

Here's the first page. Non-USA bands in bold. 65, give or take one or two as I counted quickly.

A-Alikes Brooklyn NY Hip Hop/Rap
a.armada Athens GA Rock
Abe the Assassin Austin TX DJ
Abigail Washburn & the Sparrow Quartet with Bela Fleck Nashville TN Bluegrass
Acid Girls Los Angeles CA Electronic
The Acorn Ottawa ON Rock
Activator New York NY Metal
Adept Groningen THE NETHERLANDS Electronic
Pierre Aderne Rio de Janeiro BRAZIL World
Afenginn Copenhagen DENMARK World
Afrobots Los Angeles CA Electronic
The Aggrolites Los Angeles CA Ska
Priscilla Ahn Los Angeles CA Singer-Songwriter
The Airborne Toxic Event Los Angeles CA Rock
Airlane (Gary Numan Tribute) Austin TX Pop
Air Waves Brooklyn NY Rock
Akala London UK Hip Hop/Rap
Akron/Family Brooklyn NY Avant/Experimental
Alabama3 (acoustic) London UK Alt Country
A-Laget Bergen NORWAY Hip Hop/Rap
Alamo Race Track Amsterdam NETHERLANDS Alternative
Gustavo Alberto Los Angeles CA Latin Rock
Album Monterrey MEXICO Alternative
Alex Cuba Smithers BC World
Leo Allen New York NY Comedy
Allison Mexico City Mexico Punk
All Time Low Baltimore MD Rock
Aloha Cleveland OH Rock
Alpha Rev Austin TX Rock
AM New Orleans LA Singer-Songwriter
American Babies Brooklyn NY Alt Country
American Bang Nashville TN Rock
American Princes Little Rock AR Rock
Amplified Heat Austin TX Rock
AM Syndicate Austin TX Rock
An Albatross Wilkes Barre PA Avant/Experimental
Anamanaguchi New York NY Electronic
Anathallo Chicago IL Rock
Anavan Los Angeles CA Avant-garde
Ancestors Los Angeles CA Rock
Cherine Anderson Kingston JAMAICA Reggae
Glen David Andrews & The Lazy Six New Orleans LA Jazz
Annihilation Time Oakland CA Punk
The Answer Belfast UK Rock
The Answering Machine Manchester UK Rock
Antietam New York NY Rock
aonami Tokyo JAPAN Electronic
Apache Oakland CA Rock
Apache Beat New York NY Rock
Apes Washington DC Rock
A Place To Bury Strangers Brooklyn NY Avant/Experimental
Apsci Brooklyn NY Electronic
Douglas Armour Los Angeles CA Pop
Army Of Freshmen Ventura CA Punk
Arp San Francisco CA Electronic
Joseph Arthur Brooklyn NY Rock
Artifact Shore Minneapolis MN Avant/Experimental
Greg Ashley Oakland CA Rock
The A-Sides Philadelphia PA Rock
Astra Heights Los Angeles CA Rock
Astronautalis Jacksonville FL Hip Hop/Rap
Asylum Street Spankers Austin TX Avant/Experimental
At All Cost Austin TX Metal
A Thousand Knives Of Fire Long Branch NJ Rock
Nicole Atkins Neptune City NJ Singer-Songwriter
Atlas Sound Atlanta GA Avant/Experimental
A-Trak Montreal QC Hip Hop/Rap
Attack in Black Welland ON Rock
The Audition Chicago IL Rock
Audrye Sessions Oakland CA Rock
Augustana San Diego CA Rock
Autolux Los Angeles CA Rock
The Autumns Los Angeles CA Rock
Aux Raus Amsterdam THE NETHERLANDS Electronic
Avatar Gothenburg SWEDEN Metal
Avengers in Sci-Fi Tokyo JAPAN Rock
A Weather Portland OR Rock
Awesome Cool Dudes Austin TX Pop
Axel K Soundsystem Buenos Aires ARGENTINA World
AZA Santa Cruz CA World
Maya Azucena Brooklyn NY R&B
Back Door Slam Isle of Man UK Blues
Back Ted N-Ted Phoenix AZ Avant/Experimental
The Bad Rackets Austin TX Punk
The Bad Trips Ventura CA Rock
Bad Veins Cincinnati OH Rock
Marcia Ball Austin TX Blues
Balmorhea Austin TX Avant/Experimental
Volodja Balzalorsky Ljubljana SLOVENIA Classical
The Bamaz Montgomery AL Pop
Bam Bam Monterrey MEXICO Rock
Bandit Teeth Lawrence KS Rock
The Band of Heathens Austin TX Americana
Band of Thieves New York NY Rock
The Bang Gang Deejays Sydney AUSTRALIA DJ
Bankroll Jones Port Arthur TX Hip Hop/Rap
David Banner Jackson MS Hip Hop/Rap
Jill Barber Halifax NS Singer-Songwriter
Matt Barber Toronto ON Singer-Songwriter
Sara Bareilles Los Angeles CA Singer-Songwriter
Bobby Bare Jr. Nashville TN Rock
The Barker Band London UK Country
Spot Barnett with O.S. Grant San Antonio TX Blues
Laura Barrett Toronto ON Singer-Songwriter
Todd Barry New York NY Comedy
Basswood Lane Austin TX Hip Hop/Rap
Ceci Bastida Tijuana MEXICO Latin Rock
Chris Bathgate Ann Arbor MI Alt Country
Bat Makumba San Francisco CA World
Baumer Columbia SC Pop
Bavu Blakes & the Extra Plairs Garland TX Hip Hop/Rap
Jessie Baylin Los Angeles CA Singer-Songwriter
David Bazan Seattle WA Rock
Beangrowers St Julians MALTA Rock
Bear in Heaven Brooklyn NY Rock
Bearsuit Norwich UK Pop
Beasts and Superbeasts Victoria BC Alternative
Beat Union Birmingham UK Punk
Bedroom Walls Highland Park CA Alternative
Bell New York NY Pop
Bella Vancouver BC Pop
Bellafea Carrboro NC Rock
The Belleville Outfit Austin TX Bluegrass
Jon Benjamin New York NY Comedy
Ben's Brother London UK Pop
Steve Bernal Austin TX Avant/Experimental
Best Friends Forever Minneapolis MN Pop
Best Fwends Ft Worth TX Punk
Between the Buried and Me Charlotte NC Rock
Be Your Own Pet Nashville TN Rock
Jim Bianco Los Angeles CA Singer-Songwriter
Eric Bibb Salisbury UK Blues
Bible of the Devil Chicago IL Metal
Bo Bice Nashville TN Rock
Bido & Toe Port Arthur TX Hip Hop/Rap
The Big Bang Birmingam UK Rock
Big Red Rooster Dallas TX Pop
Big Sid San Angelo TX Hip Hop/Rap
The Big Sleep Brooklyn NY Rock
Bildmeister Vila Do Conde PORTUGAL Rock
Ryan Bingham Austin TX Alt Country
Bing Ji Ling New York NY R&B
Scott H. Biram Austin TX Rock
Bird Peterson Austin TX DJ
Birds Of Avalon Raliegh NC Rock
Birds of Wales Toronto ON Pop
Birthday Suits Minneapolis MN Rock
Bisc1 Queens NY Hip Hop/Rap
Bishop Fred A Jones and The Jones Family Singers Bay City TX Gospel
Bit Shifter Astoria NY Electronic / Dance / DJ
Bitter End San Antonio TX Metal
The Black Austin TX Rock
The Black & White Years Austin TX Rock
The Black Angels Austin TX Rock
Black Before Red Austin TX Pop
Black Diamond Heavies Louisville KY Blues
Black Earth Austin TX Rock
The Black Ghosts London UK Electronic
Black Helicopter Boston MA Rock
Blackholicus Austin TX Metal
The Black Hollies Jersey City NJ Rock
Black Joe Lewis & the Honey Bears Austin TX R&B
The Black Keys Akron OH Rock
Blacklist New York NY Rock
Black Mike and Chemistry Austin TX Hip Hop/Rap
Black Moth Super Rainbow Pittsburgh PA Avant/Experimental
Black Mountain Vancouver BC Rock
Black Tide Miami FL Metal
Black Tie Dynasty Ft Worth TX Rock
Black Top Demon Aberdeen WA Rock
Black Tusk Savannah GA Metal
Blaggards Houston TX Celtic
Karl Blau Anacortes WA Pop
Blitzen Trapper Portland OR Rock
The Blood Lines Saskatoon SK Pop
Blood On The Wall Lawrence KS Rock
The Bloody Beetroots Bassano del Grappa ITALY Electronic
The Blow Portland OR Pop
Blowing Trees Austin TX Rock
Blue Cheer San Francisco CA Metal
Blue Mountain Oxford MS Alt Country
Blue Rodeo & Friends Toronto ON Rock
Blue Scholars Seattle WA Hip Hop/Rap
Blues Control Brooklyn NY Avant/Experimental
Blunt Force Trauma Austin TX Metal
B.o.B. Atlanta GA Hip Hop/Rap
The BoDeans Waukesha WI Rock
Bodies of Water Highland Park CA Rock
Body of War with Kimya Dawson, Serj Tankian, Tom Morello, Brett Dennen, Brendan James, RX Bandits, Ben Harper, Billy Bragg, and Special Guests Los Angeles CA Singer-Songwriter
Jim Boggia Philadelphia PA Rock
The Bo-Keys Memphis TN R&B
Alexia Bomtempo Rio de Janeiro BRAZIL World
A.A. Bondy Palenville NY Alt Country
Bon Iver Eau Claire WI Rock
Ray Bonneville Austin TX Blues
Bonnie Bramlett Nashville TN R&B
BoomboxATX Austin TX Hip Hop/Rap
Born in the Flood Denver CO Rock
Born Ruffians Midland ON Rock
The Boss Martians Seattle WA Rock
Boubacar Diebate Boulder SENEGAL World
Bound Stems Chicago IL Rock
Bowerbirds Raleigh NC Rock
Bowling For Soup Denton TX Rock
Boys in a Band Gota FAROE ISLANDS Rock
Boyz Noize Berlin GERMANY Electronic
Kate Bradley / The Goodbye Horses Brisbane AUSTRALIA Rock
Billy Bragg London UK Rock
Meredith Bragg and the Terminals Arlington VA Alternative
Brannen Temple Trio Austin TX Jazz
Matt Braunger Los Angeles CA Comedy
Brazos Austin TX Rock
The Breakup Society Phoenix AZ Rock
Brian Posehn Los Angeles GA Metal
Brimstone Howl Lincoln NE Rock
British Sea Power Brighton UK Rock
Elliott Brood Toronto ON Alternative
Brooklyn Paris FRANCE Rock
Tom Brosseau Los Angeles CA Singer-Songwriter
The Brother Kite Providence RI Rock
Brothers And Sisters Austin TX Rock
Cliff Brown Jr Austin TX Singer/Songwriter
Junior Brown Austin TX Alt Country
Brownout Austin TX World
Rachel Brown Ft Lauderdale FL Urban / R&B
Bryan Scary & The Shredding Tears Brooklyn NY Psychedelic/Pop
Buckshot Brooklyn NY Hip Hop/Rap
Buddy Los Angeles CA Rock
The Buddy System Athens GA Pop
Bud Melvin Albuquerque NM Avant/Experimental
Buffalo Stance Philadelphia PA Avant/Experimental
Buff 1 Detroit MI Hip Hop/Rap
The Builders and The Butchers Portland OR Alt Country
Basia Bulat Toronto ON Singer-Songwriter
Bun B Port Arthur TX Hip Hop/Rap
Doug Burr Denton TX Alt Country
Nick Butcher Chicago IL Avant/Experimental
Buttercup San Antonio TX Rock
The Cab Las Vegas NV Rock
Ryan Cabrera Dallas TX Pop
Cadence Weapon Edmonton AB Hip Hop/Rap
Sera Cahoone Seattle WA Singer-Songwriter
Matt Caldwell Dallas TX Country
Calhoun Ft Worth TX Pop
Kutt Calhoun Kansas City MO Hip Hop/Rap
Call Me Lightning Milwaukee WI Punk
Camp X-Ray Austin TX Punk
Canada Ann Arbor MI Rock
Canadians Verona ITALY Alternative
Cancer Bats Toronto ON Rock
The Cansecos Toronto ON Electronic
Cap D Chicago IL Hip Hop/Rap
Capgun Coup Omaha NE Rock
Vinicio Capossela Milan ITALY World
Rufus Cappadocia New York NY Avant/Experimental
Caps & Jones New York NY DJ
Capsula Buenos Aires ARGENTINA Rock
Captain Ahab Midcity CA Electronic
Captain Danger New York NY Pop
Carbon/Silicon London UK Rock
Care Bears on Fire Brooklyn NY Rock
Career Criminal Austin TX Punk
Carlis Star Manchester UK Rock
Hayes Carll Austin TX Singer-Songwriter
Carlotta Los Angeles CA Rock
Carolyn Wonderland Austin TX Blues
The Carrots Austin TX R&B
Car Stereo (Wars) Austin TX DJ
Christina Carter & Shawn David McMillen Northampton MA Avant/Experimental
Deana Carter Los Angeles CA Alt Country
Katchie Cartwright/Richard Oppenheim Nonet San Antonio TX Jazz
Cary Brothers Nashville TN Rock
Lazaro Casanova Miami FL DJ
Paddy Casey Dublin IRELAND Singer-Songwriter
Casket Salesmen Corona CA Rock
Cassettes Won't Listen Brooklyn NY Rock
Cassius Khan Edmonton AB World
Castanets Portland OR Avant/Experimental
The Casting Out Newark DE Rock
Castledoor Los Angeles CA Rock

[rasta empress]

See the Canadian ones are the problem- why don't they say Canada instead of listing the province like the state? Very irritating, esp since as a non-American I don't know all the state abbreviations.

[JPD]

Originally Posted by rasta empress

See the Canadian ones are the problem- why don't they say Canada instead of listing the province like the state? Very irritating, esp since as a non-American I don't know all the state abbreviations.

By your logic, the USA ones should say Atlanta, USA instead of Atlanta, GA. Uh, no.

This is light years off topic now. My point is proven...thousands of people from outside of the USA visit Austin each year as a result of this ONE annual event. Clearly, Austin has significant "name recognition" planet-wide.

[grindin]

Who cares about some music festival and how many acts are from wherever? This was about Atlanta vs. Houston, not SXSW vs. Art Car Parade.

[Kofi713]

Originally Posted by JPD

By your logic, the USA ones should say Atlanta, USA instead of Atlanta, GA. Uh, no.

This is light years off topic now. My point is proven...thousands of people visit Austin each year as a result of this ONE annual event.

Millions visit Houston for one event, though, The Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo. It is basically a state fair and more than just a rodeo nowadays. It hosts first run music acts in the 75,000 seat Reliant Stadium.

Just look at the 2008 Lineup alone, which was a weak year:

Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And this is just one. But, how was Austin brought in anyway? It doesn't compete with the likes of Houston, Dallas, or Atlanta.

[rasta empress]

Originally Posted by JPD

By your logic, the USA ones should say Atlanta, USA instead of Atlanta, GA. Uh, no.

This is light years off topic now. My point is proven...thousands of people from outside of the USA visit Austin each year as a result of this ONE annual event. Clearly, Austin has significant "name recognition" planet-wide.

I addressed this earlier. I said a band visiting Austin doesn't give it name recognition outside the US.

And since the other non-American bands were listed by country then it would make sense that the Canadian bands would be listed by country not province. What is so dificult to understand about that?

In any case this is about Atlanta vs Houston and international recognition. Austin was just a red herring thrown out and really on the international scene it is not comparable to either of the two cities in question.

[grindin]

Please get back on subject before a moderator shuts this board down over this idiotic argument about some festivals in Texas. This was about Atlanta vs. Houston. Stay on the subject!

[rasta empress]

But seriously how are mostly Americans arguing about Atlanta vs Houston and international recognition, perhaps this should be posted in the World section for more accurate answers. Because somehow in this thread being foreign and having actually lived for 25 years outside the US gives me no credibility about the international recognition outside the United States.

Some of these things that ya'll are referencing really have no bearing once you leave America so they aren't a basis for international recognition. And yes everyone knows Coke for example but how many know it originated or whatever in Atlanta?