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Old 07-16-2009, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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And then you'll ... pick up your guns?
No, just our ballots.
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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I'd say its reasonable, given the fact that those top 5% help enable wars among many that has essentially bankrupted our our country. Yep that same top 5% that has allowed others to fight, to get crippled and die, and live lives of insecurity and suffering in my point of view have NO right to complain about paying so many taxes.

So many of these "patriots" will then jump through hoops in order to avoid helping these veterans. Sometimes it really makes me sick when I read these stories in the newspapers about veterans fresh from Iraq and Afghanistan struggling to get on their feet and having to wait from some "white knight" in the form of an ad hoc non-profit system to build them a retro-fitted house or donated some craptacular used van that breaks down half the time.

So yeah, you know what? Make the lazy bums pay.



It's just as well that they do whine. I only that the common people will wake up and not allow the wealthy with their media to brainwash them into making even more tragic decisions on how this country should be operated.
More demogoguery regarding the wealthy. That's original. Who do you think these 'millionaires' are, anyway? The people that create jobs, for starters. Most of these people are small business owners...about 70% of the workforce is employed by these 'warmongers'.

www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html

The average 'millionaire' is a small business owner who came from modest circumstances, lives below his means, and has among other things given employment to other individuals. He's not some fatcat sitting on a pile of money, chewing on his cigar and rubbing his hands in avarice. That image is too laughable to consider.
So, just keep heaping it on the 'wealthy'...something will have to give, and that something may well be your current employment.
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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More demogoguery regarding the wealthy. That's original. Who do you think these 'millionaires' are, anyway? The people that create jobs, for starters. Most of these people are small business owners...about 70% of the workforce is employed by these 'warmongers'.

www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html

The average 'millionaire' is a small business owner who came from modest circumstances, lives below his means, and has among other things given employment to other individuals. He's not some fatcat sitting on a pile of money, chewing on his cigar and rubbing his hands in avarice. That image is too laughable to consider.
So, just keep heaping it on the 'wealthy'...something will have to give, and that something may well be your current employment.
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The small business "Clark Howard" types I have nothing against. I read Black Enterprise ever month to get my dose of inspiration on people who pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It's the "Bob Nardelli" types that I have nothing but scorn and disdain for. When you get to that level, it becomes less about a true "Free market" and more about cronoyism and good 'ol boy politics.

But what I don't like about the some of the southern "small-business" types is their penchant for supporting reactionary figures who divide and sow mistrust. It's that same mistrust that has allowed for centuries of mismanagement and inequality that has come to fruition in this present day form.

I sympathize with people who don't like seeing misrepresentation in the govenrment dollars department but what I despise is people who use that as a way of not wanting to help their fellow man regardless of creed, color, ethnic origin and unfortunately that has ALWAYS been the case in the south(and some of the north too) and in this country.

Deny it if you want, but some of us know better...
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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The small business "Clark Howard" types I have nothing against. I read Black Enterprise ever month to get my dose of inspiration on people who pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It's the "Bob Nardelli" types that I have nothing but scorn and disdain for. When you get to that level, it becomes less about a true "Free market" and more about cronoyism and good 'ol boy politics.

But what I don't like about the some of the southern "small-business" types is their penchant for supporting reactionary figures who divide and sow mistrust. It's that same mistrust that has allowed for centuries of mismanagement and inequality that has come to fruition in this present day form.

I sympathize with people who don't like seeing misrepresentation in the govenrment dollars department but what I despise is people who use that as a way of not wanting to help their fellow man regardless of creed, color, ethnic origin and unfortunately that has ALWAYS been the case in the south(and some of the north too) and in this country.

Deny it if you want, but some of us know better...
I'm no fan of Bob Nardell, either. The capitalist system has its' share of locusts, no doubt. What I am saying is that they comprise a very small percentage of the top 5% wage earners. The current tax code is throwing out the baby with the bathwater in punishing these people, creating a terrible drag on productivity. Simple economics.
I, too, am a believer in helping my fellow man. What I take issue with is the government telling me exactly how I'm going to do it at point of a gun.
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Old 07-16-2009, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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I'm no fan of Bob Nardell, either. The capitalist system has its' share of locusts, no doubt. What I am saying is that they comprise a very small percentage of the top 5% wage earners. The current tax code is throwing out the baby with the bathwater in punishing these people, creating a terrible drag on productivity. Simple economics.
I, too, am a believer in helping my fellow man. What I take issue with is the government telling me exactly how I'm going to do it at point of a gun.
LD you are one fantastic communicator. You have summed up this argument in the last few posts better than I have heard from any talking head or pundit. Kudos
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:24 AM
 
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Deacon, I'm sure that you realize that we do NOT live in a democracy, but rather a Constitutional Republic.

Why is it a stupid idea? If people are paying more and getting less services, then it is within their right to petition for a break-away. It should happen.
Why do you think they are getting less services than I am in another part of the county? They are whining, plain and simple. They want MORE services for the SAME money.

The cost of setting up a new county government is prohibitive to this idea. That in itself makes it a ridiculous proposal.
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Old 07-16-2009, 10:28 AM
 
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BringBackCobain is correct. HR21 and SR 392 are still alive, and Jan Jones continues to lead the way for a Milton County. I am not sure it is economically feasible to do right now, but I would welcome living in a county governed by people who have the same interests as myself and my neighbors. Atlanta has so many problems it drains more than it's share of the available resources.
So...someone living in South Fulton County doesn't share your interests? What a silly statement to make! You can't know that.
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Old 07-16-2009, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I'm no fan of Bob Nardell, either. The capitalist system has its' share of locusts, no doubt. What I am saying is that they comprise a very small percentage of the top 5% wage earners. The current tax code is throwing out the baby with the bathwater in punishing these people, creating a terrible drag on productivity. Simple economics.
I, too, am a believer in helping my fellow man. What I take issue with is the government telling me exactly how I'm going to do it at point of a gun.
Government is a necessary evil. We the people are the government. If Government is imperfect, it is merely the reflection of the people this institution, this body of laws claim to represent.

This is what I don't get about many of my fellow southerners: Traditionally too many of y'all will look the other way at the evil indiscretions of the government as long as it is someone else that's suffering. But the moment YOUR pocketbooks, YOUR wallets takes a hit, NOW you want to complain.

Why wasn't there a complaint of big government after Plessy v. Ferguson? Why wasn't there an uproar when Nixon nullified the Bretton-Woods Agreement and took the U.S. off the gold-standard? Why was there no rantings when Reagan created the beginnings of this massive budget deficit 30 years ago? Why was there not a plan to pay for these current conflicts in Iraq & Afghanistan?

Time and time again, the truth always reveals itself. It's always about who gets the benefits and who doesn't.
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Old 07-16-2009, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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So...someone living in South Fulton County doesn't share your interests? What a silly statement to make! You can't know that.
I feel the same way. I want to live in a clean neighborhood. If I had children I would want them to go to the best schools. I also want to elect politcians that will hold the highest of care for my well-being. I believe in fiscal prudence and in working with the system to improve it, NOT to just willy-nilly create some new layer of government at a moment's notice because MY park isn't the most flashiest, MY police precinct isn't the most responsive to my needs.

Why is it that people would think that just because my color is different that I wouldn't believe in such things? Please, someone explain to me that one...
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Old 07-16-2009, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Atlanta and St Simons Island, GA
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This is what I don't get about many of my fellow southerners: Traditionally too many of y'all will look the other way at the evil indiscretions of the government as long as it is someone else that's suffering. But the moment YOUR pocketbooks, YOUR wallets takes a hit, NOW you want to complain.
I'm afraid that your generalizations about the attitudes of the top wage earners paying taxes are missing my points by a mile. Do I infer that you think we are against having to pay taxes at all? That is certainly not true. I believe in a fair and equitable tax system, however...and the current system, IMHO, isn't that.
And as far as I'm concerned, the massive and unbridled redistribution of hard-earned wealth is a MAJOR "evil indiscretion of the government" that can only result in our financial collapse.
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