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Old 07-31-2007, 10:11 AM
 
Location: ITP
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greg,

Sure, there are parts of stereotypes that are true, but stereotypes affect minorities a lot more than folks in the majority. We see enough images of whites in the media to know that not every white person is a redneck, nor is every white person a millionare. However, there are many white people out there who do not interact with black folks on a daily basis. There are even some who have never met a black person. People with such limited interaction with people of different backgrounds are a lot more prone to believing negative stereotypes that they see in the media. Hence, for a professional black male such as myself, I constantly have to worry about being a representative for my entire ethnic group, also I have to worry about comporting myself well when faced with ignorant and misguided comments. It gets rather tiring, and yes, it gets stressful at times.

I don't want any sympathy and I'm not griping about this situation. But I do ask that others understand what some of us have to go through on a daily basis.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:39 AM
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greg,

There are even some who have never met a black person.

Who cares what people in Iceland think?
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Old 07-31-2007, 11:07 AM
 
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Who cares what people in Iceland think?
Pretty funny JPD . . . love your humor, but don't quite agree. I'll give you two anedcotal examples. In high school I was on the debate team. Several of us went over a member's house to prepare. Her 10 year old sister came into the room and kept staring at us. Finally after some time had past her older sister said, "I'm sorry she keeps staring, I don't think she's ever seen black people before." I knew her personality and realized she wasnt' joking, but I was still in shock. We were in the middle of one of the most affluent neighborhoods in the middle of one of the largest cities in America. Far from Iceland.

It reminded me of experiences at my middle school. It took me a long while to realize that some of the white children were scared of the black students because that was the first time they had been within a foot of a black person. They attended all white private elementary schools. Considering I grew up in one of the largest and most diverse cities in the country, both examples above are really pathetic. Luckily for me I was surrounded by enough more open minded white students, and other ethnicities that I didn't have to be affected by the ones who clearly didn't know how to handle being around anyone who didn't look like them.
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Old 07-31-2007, 12:18 PM
 
Location: West Cobb County, GA (Atlanta metro)
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I still think it's a bit unfair to blame the media, though. They just go out to cover a story. They don't look around once they get on location and go, "Oh hey, look! That's a stereotype... let's put them on camera!". If anything they're guilty of sensationalism, but that's a ratings game everyone plays in the media.

I'm sure there are people in very rural areas who would freak out if face-to-face with a black person, but at the same time, there are large inner city areas in many large cities where the black people don't associate with whites as well, and kids react in a similar way when around whites. They're taught "not to trust" white people, etc. So I think it's a two way street... there are certainly people on both sides of the coin who teach their children inappropriate lessons when it comes to race relations.

Likewise, you have to pin some blame on the black media. If whites were to only go by some of the lyrics and images alone that you see on Rap videos on TV, they'd think that every black person is an armed gangster rapper who has half a dozen hoochie chicks hanging around them all day. Some accountability needs to go to the music/video industry for negative stereotypes as well. If rural kids have no images other than this, you can't really blame them for being ignorant. There has to be less negative/violent stuff coming from black artists (for white AND black kids).

Anyway - it strays from the original post. Yes, personally I do still think it's cliche to move to Atlanta JUST because of a skin color (or for that matter to avoid it because of another skin color). I still think a person who's deciding to relocate should make sure that the entire package of a city offers them the best opportunities as a whole PERSON.
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Old 07-31-2007, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Home Limbo
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I still think it's a bit unfair to blame the media, though. They just go out to cover a story.

Likewise, you have to pin some blame on the black media. If whites were to only go by some of the lyrics and images alone that you see on Rap videos on TV, they'd think that every black person is an armed gangster rapper who has half a dozen hoochie chicks hanging around them all day. Some accountability needs to go to the music/video industry for negative stereotypes as well. If rural kids have no images other than this, you can't really blame them for being ignorant. There has to be less negative/violent stuff coming from black artists (for white AND black kids).

Anyway - it strays from the original post. Yes, personally I do still think it's cliche to move to Atlanta JUST because of a skin color (or for that matter to avoid it because of another skin color). I still think a person who's deciding to relocate should make sure that the entire package of a city offers them the best opportunities as a whole PERSON.
It's not unfair, it's true...and their job. Talk to some reporters or assignment editors. Remember there is tremendous lattitude in the type of story they choose to cover. (I gave an example earlier) If the stations are choosing to cover the everyday ignorance instead of true NEWS, they're purposefully perpetuating stereotypes. There are thousands of stereotypes around, yet there's only a few we see on TV news. (I'm trying to think of a time when I saw one related to Jewish people...when I used to watch anyway) They do look around for some ignoramus in a crowd swinging his shirt around b/c that's what their audience wants to see, their prejudices reinforced.

Rural areas!!!??? I bet you every one of us has met someone that had never been around people of color, it seems to be pretty easy in fact. Look, you already have a few responses telling you this is our experience, why would you ignore those comments and say it only happens in rural areas?
I'm sorry I know this is totally politically incorrect, but I chuckled when I read the part about not trusting. Didn't know y'all knew that. Teehee. I won't even go there about the music. That's definitely the new post-Imus cliche. "Blame it on their music!" I haven't found anyone who really seems convinced by that argument, but it's a convenient little catch all.
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Old 08-01-2007, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Atlanta,Ga
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I still think it's a bit unfair to blame the media, though. They just go out to cover a story. They don't look around once they get on location and go, "Oh hey, look! That's a stereotype... let's put them on camera!". If anything they're guilty of sensationalism, but that's a ratings game everyone plays in the media.

Likewise, you have to pin some blame on the black media. If whites were to only go by some of the lyrics and images alone that you see on Rap videos on TV, they'd think that every black person is an armed gangster rapper who has half a dozen hoochie chicks hanging around them all day. Some accountability needs to go to the music/video industry for negative stereotypes as well. If rural kids have no images other than this, you can't really blame them for being ignorant. There has to be less negative/violent stuff coming from black artists (for white AND black kids).
(1) Whenever I watch the local news there are obviously stories about crime and such. Because we as African Americans are disproportionately poor, yes you are going to see us more(being interviewed and such) when they are doing these stories.
(2)Most see rap videos on one of MTV's 4 music video channel's. Last time I checked these stations were not "Black Media". BET is owned by Viacom. TVOne is the only black network I can think of and they have great programming. So if we want to start with the "blame the music and videos" argument, then lets place blame on the Tv Stations who show these videos.

Furthermore as an African American women, I really don't have the desire or time to change the ind of people who believe they know all about me by watching television. Finally I agree with the previous poster, moving to Atlanta because you think its a great place for black people isn't the best idea.
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Old 08-01-2007, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Avondale Estates
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BET is owned by Viacom. TVOne is the only black network I can think of and they have great programming. So if we want to start with the "blame the music and videos" argument, then lets place blame on the Tv Stations who show these videos.

Furthermore as an African American women, I really don't have the desire or time to change the ind of people who believe they know all about me by watching television.
You raised some good points. I understand where you are coming from in the point where you were saying that you don't have the time to change people's mind about you. I think that Black mentality of feeling responsible for carrying the reputation of our race on their back while around whites(especiall in lily white corporate America) is a burden Greg will never understand and there is no sense in trying to explain.
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