Demographic Changes within Cobb & Gwinnett Schools (Atlanta, Sandy Springs: apartments, foreclosures)

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by lastminutemom

a much easier and more accurate way to find information about the schools is to go to The Governor's Office of Student Achievement, click on accountability, k-12 report cards, and then look up the system/school you want.

This discussion is frightening because of its' inaccuracies. Northview High School's top ten percent of its senior class is almost always all Asian. Economics is probably the number one determinate of student success...

GA schools have never been ranked highly, it is a southern issue not a racial one. When the schools were all white, they weren't so hot...

To many Southern parents have very low to no expectations for their children, the parents themselves aren't very educated and the don't really want Billy Bob or MarySue to move away from home and go to college.

LastMinuteMom, you say it is a "southern" issue, not a racial one. I disagree that too many southern parents have low expectations. Do you realize that it is the different demographics of the U.S. which are the primary reason for the lower results.

Consider the following press release:

"In 2008, Georgia's African-American students scored .5 points higher than African-American students across the nation and Georgia's Hispanic students scored 1.5 points higher than Hispanic students across the nation. For the first time in recent history, Georgia's white students also outscored their peers across the nation."

Source:Georgia Department Of Education Press Release (http://public.doe.k12.ga.us/press/press081708A.html - broken link)

[GF72]

Originally Posted by lastminutemom

a much easier and more accurate way to find information about the schools is to go to The Governor's Office of Student Achievement, click on accountability, k-12 report cards, and then look up the system/school you want.

This discussion is frightening because of its' inaccuracies. Northview High School's top ten percent of its senior class is almost always all Asian. Economics is probably the number one determinate of student success...

GA schools have never been ranked highly, it is a southern issue not a racial one. When the schools were all white, they weren't so hot...

To many Southern parents have very low to no expectations for their children, the parents themselves aren't very educated and the don't really want Billy Bob or MarySue to move away from home and go to college.

You're kidding right? That Billy Bob analogy may be (somewhat) true out in the farmland or mountains, but certainly not in Atlanta....

Anyway, GA's schools overall may be bad, but the schools in suburban Atlanta are actually very good, even on a country-wide basis.

[TakeAhike]

Originally Posted by GF72

You're kidding right? That Billy Bob analogy may be (somewhat) true out in the farmland or mountains, but certainly not in Atlanta....

Anyway, GA's schools overall may be bad, but the schools in suburban Atlanta are actually very good, even on a country-wide basis.

Lastminutemom's remark about 'Billy Bob and Mary Sue'/lack of interest in higher education surprised me, too. Many families have taken advantage of the HOPE scholarship program.

[lastminutemom]

I do realize that Southern demographics play a big role in academic outcomes of the region as compared to other regions, but we know that in many places minority students do better than they do in the South.

As to the HOpe, this is a quote from a study of the program.

In addition to increasing the length of college for many students, HOPE has failed to attract sizable numbers of new students to college. Cornwell, Mustard, and Sridhar (2004) found that most students who receive HOPE would have gone to college somewhere even if the program were not available. Thus HOPE has largely failed in its goal of attracting students to college who would formerly not have considered it. On the contrary, HOPE recipients are generally the children of middle- to upper-middle-class families who would value college education with or without the program. In practice, the HOPE Scholarship is generally a regressive form of educational funding—lottery players are disproportionately the poor and minorities, whereas scholarship recipients are overwhelmingly white and well-off. (Rubenstein and Scafidi 2002).

[TheseGoTo11]

does anyone have the breakdown of the minorities?

our area of Northern VA has gotten less white, but more Asian-Indian, so test scores have gone up

[mmenomen]

does anyone have the breakdown of the minorities?

The racial/ethnic make up of most schools can be found at a number of websites, such as schooldigger.com or greatschools.net

There was some article referenced here that the Atlanta suburbs are increasing in minority population, where as the City of Atlanta itself is becoming more white.

[GF72]

Originally Posted by lastminutemom

I do realize that Southern demographics play a big role in academic outcomes of the region as compared to other regions, but we know that in many places minority students do better than they do in the South.

As to the HOpe, this is a quote from a study of the program.

In addition to increasing the length of college for many students, HOPE has failed to attract sizable numbers of new students to college. Cornwell, Mustard, and Sridhar (2004) found that most students who receive HOPE would have gone to college somewhere even if the program were not available. Thus HOPE has largely failed in its goal of attracting students to college who would formerly not have considered it. On the contrary, HOPE recipients are generally the children of middle- to upper-middle-class families who would value college education with or without the program. In practice, the HOPE Scholarship is generally a regressive form of educational funding—lottery players are disproportionately the poor and minorities, whereas scholarship recipients are overwhelmingly white and well-off. (Rubenstein and Scafidi 2002).

HOPE, on a large scale, is just a source of free money for white and Asian kids going to UGA, State, and Tech... but that doesn't mean that people who actually need HOPE aren't getting it, just that they are outnumbered...

[GF72]

Originally Posted by TheseGoTo11

does anyone have the breakdown of the minorities?

our area of Northern VA has gotten less white, but more Asian-Indian, so test scores have gone up

In pretty much any place in America, as far as test scores go, Asians do the best, closely followed by whites, then after a noticeable gap are hispanics, closely followed by blacks.

In fact, also in most places in America, income follows the exact same pattern.

[Oregon Transplant]

In conclusion there has been a white flight from the schools in these counties and the fact that there is a huge number of black kids coming into the schools that were white before gives me the impression that any where in Atlanta can become Black dominated in a short period of time.

What happened to the White Upper Middle Class White Kids in the greater Atlanta area?

[cmtiger]

Originally Posted by Oregon Transplant

In conclusion there has been a white flight from the schools in these counties and the fact that there is a huge number of black kids coming into the schools that were white before gives me the impression that any where in Atlanta can become Black dominated in a short period of time.

What happened to the White Upper Middle Class White Kids in the greater Atlanta area?

They are all moving intown.