Demographic Changes within Cobb & Gwinnett Schools (Atlanta, Decatur: transfer, college)

[MMANN]

Yes, in repsonse to these comments the elementary schools sometimes escape unscathed (Austin and Vanderlyn, Sarah Smith and Jackson), but never the middle or high schools.

[cmtiger]

Y'all scare me. I'm just glad I live in Decatur where folks can stand to actually send their kid to school with a kid of another race. Maybe that's why Decatur schools are so stable. There's no white flight b/c folks there aren't scared of people who don't look like them. It must suck to have to move every couple of years b/c you see a Black person. Geez.

I find this thread depressing.

[gt6974a]

Originally Posted by cmtiger

Y'all scare me. I'm just glad I live in Decatur where folks can stand to actually send their kid to school with a kid of another race. Maybe that's why Decatur schools are so stable. There's no white flight b/c folks there aren't scared of people who don't look like them. It must suck to have to move every couple of years b/c you see a Black person. Geez.

I find this thread depressing.

Elitist attidtude. I live in Acworth, graduated from North Cobb (GT alumn) 96, my dad 68 (UGA alumn). It's now a 'black' school. We're still here!

[mmenomen]

It is sad that so much white flight appears to be going on in metro Atlanta; it has been going on different areas in the ATL metro since late 60s and early 70s, I believe (started in the East Point area and then spread out). People do move around by choice and it seems some whites panic and then others move out because they think their property values will go down, like a snowball affect.

I don't really know myself, but my guess is when a particular school gets around a forth or a third minority or so, the percentage of white enrollment drops dramatically in the next several years. Some of the numbers on schooldigger.com reflect this. It is not the case always, though, in a few situations, white enrollment increases. Metro Atlanta and even its exurbs have substantial minority populations spread out in nearly all areas.

I don't see how white flight can continue in such a sprawling area, but I suspect it is still going on some areas, North Fayette and parts of Henry county come to mind. I believe a fair number of black people are moving to those areas, because they are leaving Clayton county behind for many good reasons. Shifting demographics are not always perceived to be white flight though some of us may see it that way. The US is more ethnically diverse overall and I think that in of itself is a huge factor that was already mentioned in this thread

[MMANN]

Originally Posted by cmtiger

Y'all scare me. I'm just glad I live in Decatur where folks can stand to actually send their kid to school with a kid of another race. Maybe that's why Decatur schools are so stable. There's no white flight b/c folks there aren't scared of people who don't look like them. It must suck to have to move every couple of years b/c you see a Black person. Geez.

I find this thread depressing.

Very elitist attitude. And just because I am saying how it is does not mean I am necessarily condoning it.

Most of these people just like themselves and thier kids to be around people like them. Of course people do not freak out when they see one black person. Thats an ignorant comment. Usually the tipping point is when the school reaches over 25% minority. Consequently test scores usually begin dropping as well, so it is also hard to say whether people are moving because of the schools racial makeup or its performance.

Also, mmenomen, technically what I was talking about isnt white flight. The whites that move are being replaced by other white people. The only difference is that the new white people are not buying the house because of 'good schools', and usually dont care about the minority population or are going private.

[GF72]

Originally Posted by rswlguy

Oh yes it is - that is very amusing, are you actually being facetious? .... you simply cannot separate Atlanta from the rest of Georgia. Granted there are some rather unsophisticated people everywhere ... new money doesn't always necessarily equate to sophitication or culture. I can sense a real "hard sell" job going on here once again ...

I personally don't think anyone should give yourself your own report card!



Your joking, right? Another real hard sell job? Our schools are not horrible however there is a lot of work to be done. I believe that attitude is what it takes to get things done.

Not a single high school made the first 100 out of some of the top ranking public [and private] high schools in the country? Walton HS in Cobb County I believe rated 103 or perhaps. Not sure, couldn't find it.

Gold Medal Schools - US News and World Report

Data was compiled from the following: www.schoolmatters.com

Don't think anyone's buying that, "We don't need [no] help stuff" ... I dislike complacency.

If you realized the sheer number of high schools in the country you would realize 103 is an incredible ranking.

In fact, 1003 is an incredible ranking.

High school is not college.

There are 27,000 high schools in the United States.

Walton is ranked number 103. That puts it in the top 0.3% of schools in the entire United States. As in, better than 99.7% of schools in the entire country.

But no.... that's not good enough for Mr. Not-even-in-the-top-100.

As you can see, tons of suburban Atlanta schools made the top 1000 list, including all of schools in the northern suburbs... that puts the suburban Atlanta schools, as a whole, in the top 4% of schools in the country...

But of course, that's not good enough for you....

Look, you can pretend all you want that Georgia's at the bottom end of the rung, the bottom 5% or whatever, but the fact is suburban Atlanta schools are in the top 5%, not the bottom.

And for schools like Walton to make that list is no laughing matter... most schools that high are tiny magnet schools or special schools for special kids. Walton is an overcrowded public high school with almost 3000 kids, no IB or magnet program of any kind, no special anything. Same with many other metro area schools like Northview... it's nothing special for some fancy magnet school that only enrolls geniuses to be on the top 1000... of course they would be on the top. When you take a high school with an untouched, complete local population and put that in the top 1000, you know someone is doing something right.

No offense, but I think once again, like on the other thread where you though East Cobb would somehow be the largest city in GA, I think you are jumping to conclusions without doing the proper homework. We aren't strangers to this subject on this forum, we've discussed all this before, I didn't just make those comments on a whim...

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by RainyRainyDay

Goodness, if having darker skin makes a person so stupid, how do they manage to get into the middle class? That normally requires holding down a job that requires some intelligence and skills.

Having dark skin doesn't have anything to do whether a person is intelligent. However, the different races are not the same in their academic abilities as a whole, and a multitude of studies have been conducted which back this up.

Many of the middle class jobs are government jobs, which have the tendency of being affirmative action jobs.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are a lot of intelligent blacks out there who have honestly earned their way, but on the whole, without being PC, and by being realistic, there appears to be a genetic component for Asians and Caucasians scoring highest, while Mestizos and blacks scoring lowest.
Before you bash me, try to inform yourself about the studies.

Shoot, I swore I'd never again get on a thread started by you, since I am so offended by your racialist views. Ugh.

That's your prerogative. Why would you be offended by someone who points out the natural, or statistics? Tell me that you haven't allowed yourself to look the other way on certain matters.

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by Saintmarks

Any statistics for the numbers of families home schooling? In my years in Cobb, I knew multitudes of families that homeschooled, the vast majority where white and the reason was not race but a desire to insure their children received a quality education. This was in majority white North Cobb / South Cherokee.

On average, a very small percentage homeschool. I'd argue that it's probably only two to four percent.

[Scraper Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by MMANN

Look, Atlanta's northern suburbs go through a cycle, and it has yet to be broken. I would know as an Atlanta native, and I have been living here all 30 years of my life.

First, the place is rural with poor whites in the schools. Its still considered far out, and attracts whites looking for white schools, and the schools begin to be half rural/half rich-suburb kid. Most of the housing being built is high-end single family homes (can get high prices due to the schools), and no apartments.

The single family homes begin to dominate the once-rural landscape, and the schools become moslty all rich suburban kids. But, due to all the new housing, there is a demand for retail, and soon enough a mall is built to serve the area.

Along with the mall, garden apartment complexes begin to sprout up, and A LOT are built. At first, they are rented by young professionals who work at offices built near the mall, and the schools still remain steady.

Fast forward 10 years, and the apartments have aged quickly, as most compelexes do. As they age, new ones are built to house the professionals. Often the ones owned by upscale management companies like Post are sold to another owner. Minorities begin to move in, with thier kids attending the public schools.

Suddenly, the people who moved out there for the white schools see the schools starting to turn. They do one of two things:
1.) Pull thier kids out and put them in private schools
2.) Move to the new outer suburb, where the apartments are not built/still new and the schools still white. The people that buy thier homes put thier kids in private schools because they did not move to the area for the schools anyway.

The process is already complete in Vinings, Buckhead, Sandy Springs, Roswell and Dunwoody (although Dunwoody's elementary schools have held out - for now). It is currently happening in Alpharetta as the apartments up thier are reaching the 10-15 year mark. South Forsyth, with plans for the new mall, is still in the first stage, but after the mall will be in the second.

Gwinnett is an exception, with the difference here being that in the aforementioned places it was only expensive homes and apartments being built, where in Gwinnett it was a lot of cheap single family homes in addition to apartments. If those houses had been higher end to begin with, Gwinnett may have fared better.

Although East Cobb, Milton, and Johns Creek did not get hispanics or blacks, they got Asians, and it seems the white people dont care as much because the school performance increases.

This is what I have gathered from my years in Atlanta. I have firsthand experience too. I was born in Sandy Springs. Schools got bad, so we moved to Peachtree Corners. Everything brand new, but as the apartments aged the schools minority population surged. I went to Pinckneyville Middle in 1994, and it does not suprise me that it is now only 35% white, becuase I saw it happening before my eyes. My parents gave up and sent me to private high school.

I have lived here my whole life, and I was definitely past middle school age by 1994. A lot of what you say is correct, with regard to the components of change. However, you have to look at the reasons that this occurs in the first place. The sad tragedy is that white America is being destroyed, and Atlanta is only a small slice of it.

Without a firm change in immigration, deportation, and protection of our borders, this country will be relegated to a third world status within thirty years.

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Originally Posted by blackrabbit

My local school in Dekalb ITP has actually got whiter as all the projects have been demolished and the inhabitents relocated further out of town.

What school is that?