Atl or chicago (Atlanta, Clayton, Avera: public schools, places to live, airport)

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

1)Atlanta has been booming for 30 years.
2)Chicago while a really good city,is not a great city,.Atlanta has its own neighborhoods that are among the best in the country.I like the the single family house with the backdrop of the skyscrapers towering over the trees.Because it is a hard city to get around many people miss out on the beauty here.I love the hills and meandering streets.I NEVER want it to be just like Chicago or NYC.There are Elements that Chicago and other cities have that i want for Atlanta,and for the most part its on its way or already there in some regards.I
Im not talking about the metro area.Im talking about the City (134 sq miles)Chicago has 237 sq feet

"Chicago while a really good city, is not a great city". LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL, hang on a second, LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL! And let me guess, ATL is a REALLY REALLY REALLY GREAT city? Chicago, is NOT only, one of the VERY best cities in AMERICA, it's one of the BEST in THE WORLD! Most EURO countries, have maybe one city in each country, that could compete with Chicago (example, England has London, Germany has Berlin, etc.)

Another thing, you KEEP talking about DENSITY. Now, you're saying how "You LIKE all the SINGLE FAMILY HOMES with BACKYARDS in ATL". You did it AGAIN, you've PROVED my point. How is ATL going to become DENSER with SINGLE FAMILY HOMES with BACKYARDS?

[welder]

I forgot to respond to your statement about "ATL booming for the last 30 years". Lets go back to 1970' (that's 37 years instead of 30). The city population in the 'actuall city of ATL in 1970', was 496,973 people. In the year 2007', it was 519,145 people. Is increasing ATL's population by 25,000 people over the course of a 37 year span, 'BOOMING' to you? I know the sprawled suburbs grew by LEAPS and BOUNDS. But, the actual city itself? Maybe in 50 years, you'll have another 50,000 people, MAYBE. LOL

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by welder

I forgot to respond to your statement about "ATL booming for the last 30 years". Lets go back to 1970' (that's 37 years instead of 30). The city population in the 'actuall city of ATL in 1970', was 496,973 people. In the year 2007', it was 519,145 people. Is increasing ATL's population by 25,000 people over the course of a 37 year span, 'BOOMING' to you? I know the sprawled suburbs grew by LEAPS and BOUNDS. But, the actual city itself? Maybe in 50 years, you'll have another 50,000 people, MAYBE. LOL

look at Chicago suburbs and inner city growth.Chicago lost population as well.even more than Atlanta..From 1970-1980 Chicago lost over 300,000 people!!LOLor a decline of 10 perccent.1990-2000 was theonly census in the last almost 50 years where it actualy grew by a very small marginHow can you not agree!!That's how Atlanta and the sunbelt grew region first grew.Chicago of the 80s and early 90's was not by far what it is today>i don't know how old you are but Midwestern and Northeast cities were horrible places to live.Im being very fair you are way too biased that the you keep leaving out stats that go against your argument.Be fair.Arguing with you is like arguing with Sarah Palin.LOLYou only answer the questions that you want and some I did not answer.Atlanta is not my Idea of a "Great city".NYC,San Franciso,maybe Boston are great cities.Sorry just my opinion.I agree it is one of the best cities in America but its not great.Stop putting words in my mouth and answer what i SAY not what you want me to say!!WOW.

I never said Atlanta will be denser than Chicago,i said Atlanta will be denser and is gettin denser.There are houses with backyards in Chicago too.I just like how the neighborhoods with the trees and the hill terrain look here better.Atlantic Station is a perfect example of dense developement with single family housing next to high rises,shopping and mass transit.This whole city is going through major infrastructure.3/4 of the entire upscale retail,clubs and living areas of Buckhead is being rebuilt from the ground .Its not just buildings being built,all over the city streets are being laid out and streetscapes are being designed.Anyway like I said before you really do not know what this city is doing because a yearly visit to the Airport or the mall does not count.Im amazed because no city in America is currently reinventing itself the way Atlanta is.Chicago and NYC bothe went through groeing pains like Atlanta.They were even further on the brink than Atlanta ever was or has been.They can back and became bettter than ever.

[afonega1]

By the way i just found thishttp://www.citymayors.com/features/quality_survey.html


Chicago is at the bottom near NYC almost.Worldwide American cities suck because we do not spend money on infrastructure and quality of life issues

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

look at Chicago suburbs and inner city growth.Chicago lost population as well.even more than Atlanta..From 1970-1980 Chicago lost over 300,000 people!!LOLor a decline of 10 perccent.1990-2000 was theonly census in the last almost 50 years where it actualy grew by a very small marginHow can you not agree!!That's how Atlanta and the sunbelt grew region first grew.Chicago of the 80s and early 90's was not by far what it is today>i don't know how old you are but Midwestern and Northeast cities were horrible places to live.Im being very fair you are way too biased that the you keep leaving out stats that go against your argument.Be fair.Arguing with you is like arguing with Sarah Palin.LOLYou only answer the questions that you want and some I did not answer.Atlanta is not my Idea of a "Great city".NYC,San Franciso,maybe Boston are great cities.Sorry just my opinion.I agree it is one of the best cities in America but its not great.Stop putting words in my mouth and answer what i SAY not what you want me to say!!WOW.

I never said Atlanta will be denser than Chicago,i said Atlanta will be denser and is gettin denser.There are houses with backyards in Chicago too.I just like how the neighborhoods with the trees and the hill terrain look here better.Atlantic Station is a perfect example of dense developement with single family housing next to high rises,shopping and mass transit.This whole city is going through major infrastructure.3/4 of the entire upscale retail,clubs and living areas of Buckhead is being rebuilt from the ground .Its not just buildings being built,all over the city streets are being laid out and streetscapes are being designed.Anyway like I said before you really do not know what this city is doing because a yearly visit to the Airport or the mall does not count.Im amazed because no city in America is currently reinventing itself the way Atlanta is.Chicago and NYC bothe went through groeing pains like Atlanta.They were even further on the brink than Atlanta ever was or has been.They can back and became bettter than ever.

Lets try this again (maybe you'll understand it this time). YOU said, that in 50 years, ATL will be like Chicago. Right? In 1970, the 'city population of ATL' was 496,973. In 2007, the 'city' poulation of ATL was 519,145. That's an increase of 22,172 people in 37 years.

That's an increase of 600 people a year (to the actual city). I that trend continues (which is doubtful because of the HUGE downturn in the economy), in 50 years, ATL will have 30 thousand more people than it does today. That's it, a total 'city' population of around 550,000 people. A FAR cry from Chicago, in EVERY aspect. That's 60 thousand over a century (hardly a 'BOOM').

Reinventing itself? Have you been on the ENTIRE Northside of Chicago lately? There's barely a city block that hasn't had some kind of $ stuck into to it. And ATL reinventing itself? You have to be a 'has been' to REINVENT. ATL is just coming up in the last 15 years or so.

You really don't buy into the 'economy is in trouble' I guess either? You really think ANY city is going to see the 'building and investing' that's been going on in the last 15 years or so?

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

By the way i just found thisCity Mayors: Best cities in the world (Mercer)


Chicago is at the bottom near NYC almost.Worldwide American cities suck because we do not spend money on infrastructure and quality of life issues

I live in NYC right now. And I spent years living in Chicago. Chicago's 'quality of life' is WAY higher than NYC. Really, in just about every aspect (except broadway shows and nightlife). Both cities require more MONEY than almost every other city in America to live good (especially NYC). It all comes down to $ for the most part. A 'working stiff' in NYC gets no 'wiggle room' whatsoever. In Chicago, a little more slack. But still, Chicago is not exactly an easy place to raise a family if you don't make a real good buc.

[welder]

P.S. I don't know what debate you were watching tonight? But Sarah Palin kicked @ss! I thought she was suppose to be some BIMBO? She looked REALLY cute too. And as far as you saying that Boston is better than Chicago, ya, that's YOUR opinon. Boston feels like an OVERGROWN college town to me. Certainly, not a WORLD CLASS city like Chicago.

San Fran is cool, but ALOT different feel than Chicago. And I don't know if you've ever looked at apt's there either, but San Fran is VERY expensive! 8 years ago I remember seeing a studio there in 'Pacific Heights' for $1800 a month. That city is NO joke when it comes to renting OR buying! That was the city that 'invented' the '40 year mortage'. Cause you see, 30 years there, ain't enough time to pay a house off in. That's no joke either, they really did start that there. Rember the show 'Full House'. Those house's are refered to as the 'Pink Ladies'. They were going for 7 million dollars. That's right, the house you seen on the show 'Full House' was worth around 7 million bucs! I would NEVER pay that even if I could. San Fran is OVER priced in my opinon (which my opinon is ALWAYS right). Nice place to visit though. As far as you saying the Northeast or Midwest are horrible places to live? The south is SOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOORING! I'll take our winters over your summers any day too!

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by welder

P.S. I don't know what debate you were watching tonight? But Sarah Palin kicked @ss! I thought she was suppose to be some BIMBO? She looked REALLY cute too. And as far as you saying that Boston is better than Chicago, ya, that's YOUR opinon. Boston feels like an OVERGROWN college town to me. Certainly, not a WORLD CLASS city like Chicago.

San Fran is cool, but ALOT different feel than Chicago. And I don't know if you've ever looked at apt's there either, but San Fran is VERY expensive! 8 years ago I remember seeing a studio there in 'Pacific Heights' for $1800 a month. That city is NO joke when it comes to renting OR buying! That was the city that 'invented' the '40 year mortage'. Cause you see, 30 years there, ain't enough time to pay a house off in. That's no joke either, they really did start that there. Rember the show 'Full House'. Those house's are refered to as the 'Pink Ladies'. They were going for 7 million dollars. That's right, the house you seen on the show 'Full House' was worth around 7 million bucs! I would NEVER pay that even if I could. San Fran is OVER priced in my opinon (which my opinon is ALWAYS right). Nice place to visit though. As far as you saying the Northeast or Midwest are horrible places to live? The south is SOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOORING! I'll take our winters over your summers any day too!

Well it may be all you say it is but the stats dont lie.Disney World is nice to but you don't see me trying to buy a condo on Space Mountain.If i had the money Chicago is not mine or most others ideal place!!A major part for most is the weather!!Why can't you at least admit that.You are so biased!!Chicago is world class.Its just not my idea of great.It has the potential to be great and I beleive in the short future.

Chicago is not exactly an easy place to raise a family if you don't make a real good buc

You said it yourself.I bet if you do a poll most would say San Francisco,NYC,Miami(and I hate Miami)D.C.,L.A.above Chicago for places to live.I bet Chicago will be between 10-15 in a poll of the top 15cities(if money were no object).You may take the winters but most people do not,that explains the population growth.
Its only because its too far that if i had money i still would not move to San Fran.I can honestly say that Atlanta is not as exciting as Chicago.,But there are fun things to do and its not boring.I have lived in Chicago in the winter and people are miserable!!Talk about boring?During those winter months theres really not much to do.In fact theres more to do in Birmingham in the winter!!I have family/friends in Chicago and NYC.They both hate the small old apts/homes with ridiculous amounts to rent/mortgage.Some in great neighborhoods but they say theres nothing to do!!Thats because they live there,you tend to get bored even when there's plenty to do.Most people that need excitement 24/7 got ADD problems.I can go to world busiest airport 20minutes away and be on a flight anywhere in the world if I need a change.The have been to Atlanta and LOVED it everytime.Ive been to cities with 20,000 people and loved it.I got the feeling you 're anti sunbelt and Atlanta,that you never would allow yourself to have fun here.Which kinda answers the question you've been avoiding,i have been asking you the last 4 post have you honestly really travelled in and around Atlanta entirety.Did something bad happen to you in Atlanta?.LOL Are you tramatized?

Atlanta and Chicago were created the same year.Atlanta has a national history mainly due to the civil war.Atlanta was bigger and denser than it is today.Atlanta was a major metropolis in the U.S.You should study your U.S. history.Look at my thread of pictures of Atlanta 60 years ago.You keep bringing up population and desity in 50 years, answering your own questions and trying to say i said what you accuse me of saying.I never said that Atlanta will catch up to match populations with Chicago.I said it can become dense enough to support the type of city that lends itself to being more urbanwith growth of all forms.Anything i say about Atlanta you automatically think im saying something bad about Chicago.Atlanta city and Region has been booming.More people are moving from the subburbs to intown.The period of decline was when all cities experince declines in their core but gains in their regions.Chicago's city or region has not boomed in 50years and never will because unlike when it was new and there was the expansion to go west an with not much competion from other cities,today people have choices.It goes back to what i was saying earlier," most people by far prefer warmer climates".

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

Well it may be all you say it is but the stats dont lie.Disney World is nice to but you don't see me trying to buy a condo on Space Mountain.If i had the money Chicago is not mine or most others ideal place!!A major part for most is the weather!!Why can't you at least admit that.You are so biased!!Chicago is world class.Its just not my idea of great.It has the potential to be great and I beleive in the short future.You said it yourself.I bet if you do a poll most would say San Francisco,NYC,Miami(and I hate Miami)D.C.,L.A.above Chicago for places to live.I bet Chicago will be between 10-15 in a poll of the top 15cities(if money were no object).You may take the winters but most people do not,that explains the population growth.
Its only because its too far that if i had money i still would not move to San Fran.I can honestly say that Atlanta is not as exciting as Chicago.,But there are fun things to do and its not boring.I have lived in Chicago in the winter and people are miserable!!Talk about boring?During those winter months theres really not much to do.In fact theres more to do in Birmingham in the winter!!I have family/friends in Chicago and NYC.They both hate the small old apts/homes with ridiculous amounts to rent/mortgage.Some in great neighborhoods but they say theres nothing to do!!Thats because they live there,you tend to get bored even when there's plenty to do.Most people that need excitement 24/7 got ADD problems.I can go to world busiest airport 20minutes away and be on a flight anywhere in the world if I need a change.The have been to Atlanta and LOVED it everytime.Ive been to cities with 20,000 people and loved it.I got the feeling you 're anti sunbelt and Atlanta,that you never would allow yourself to have fun here.Which kinda answers the question you've been avoiding,i have been asking you the last 4 post have you honestly really travelled in and around Atlanta entirety.Did something bad happen to you in Atlanta?.LOL Are you tramatized?

Atlanta and Chicago were created the same year.Atlanta has a national history mainly due to the civil war.Atlanta was bigger and denser than it is today.Atlanta was a major metropolis in the U.S.You should study your U.S. history.Look at my thread of pictures of Atlanta 60 years ago.You keep bringing up population and desity in 50 years, answering your own questions and trying to say i said what you accuse me of saying.I never said that Atlanta will catch up to match populations with Chicago.I said it can become dense enough to support the type of city that lends itself to being more urbanwith growth of all forms.Anything i say about Atlanta you automatically think im saying something bad about Chicago.Atlanta city and Region has been booming.More people are moving from the subburbs to intown.The period of decline was when all cities experince declines in their core but gains in their regions.Chicago's city or region has not boomed in 50years and never will because unlike when it was new and there was the expansion to go west an with not much competion from other cities,today people have choices.It goes back to what i was saying earlier," most people by far prefer warmer climates".

Most people perfer warmer climates? You do REALIZE that NYC is FAR from warm during the winter right? And there's close to 20 million in the NYC metro area. NYC and Chicago are only seperated by 4 degrees in Jan highs or lows on average. Talking about boring weather? How about the southern summers? Atleast in our winters up north we get breaks in the action. The south is RELENTLESS!

ATL, has AVERAGED an INCREASE of population of 600 people a year for the last 37 years. That in itself should tell someone that the city is LACKING if ALMOST EVERYONE is moving to the suburbs there. I ain't trying to claim I know every street in ATL. But what I do, I really don't like.

And you can go to the world's busiest airport and take a trip? I don't know how much flying you do. Me, personally, the less busy or smaller the airport, the better. Maybe you like delays and LONG lines though. By the way, O'hara International, is considered to be on the 'busy' side too.

I guess you don't firgure in the FACT, that ALL the baby boomers are, and have been, retiring now and over the course of the last ten years. You think the SUNBELT hasn't recieved a BIG portion of them?

[johnatl]

Look dude, like a lot of other places Atlanta actually lost population for about 30 years - due to white flight, bad public schools, crime, etc. The population gain in the City Limits just started happening around 1990. In the course of just 8 years, more than 75,000 people have moved into the City. You have no clue what you are talking about.

I'm glad you like Chicago, it's a great city. Just do us all a favor and stay there.