Atl or chicago (Washington, Jackson, White: low income, credit, loans)

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

Look at this article.BBC News | AMERICAS | Whites a minority in US cities
The majority of people in the suburbs across America are white.Thats why the cities have low populations of white people.The latest census update that came out a couple of months ago said that Atlanta followed by D.C. posted the "only and the highest" significant gains of white people in the city.The black percentage continues to fall since BEFORE white flight to 57% from a high of 70% at one time.This means the city is becoming more diverse AND the city has had increased revenues AND property values have increased because of regentrification.Blacks are moving in too,but those blacks are usually from somewhere else or they are coming in from the suburbs for the same reasons whites are begining to come in.Blacks that grew up in the city during the bad times are selling there parents home after they die and are moving to the suburbs because for them that represents a better life than what they had growing up in the city.

The MAJORITY of WHITE people live in the SUBURBS? That is GROUNDBREAKING news there! LOL Only a white person from maybe Seattle, who never left Seattle in their life, wouldn't know that.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by welder

Ya, I'm white, born and raised in Pittsburgh, and I NEVER heard of WHITE FLIGHT? I still got family back in Pittsburgh, that are ALMOST the ONLY white people left in their neighborhoods.

Blacks live in suburbs too? Really, like the suburb of 'Penn Hills' in Pittsburgh. I didn't know that, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Blacks with $ don't live in AREAS like Harlem? Thanks again, it NEVER accured to me.

Maybe, I'm just throwing this out there, MAYBE, if the BLACK neighborhoods weren't SO dangerous, not ALL the white people would want to leave. Please don't play the 'poor people card' excuse either. There're alot of poor white neighborhoods in Pittsburgh, and they are NOWHERE near as dangerous as the black ones.

I think ALMOST every kid I grew up loafing on street corners with in Pittsburgh, was on FOOD STAMPS (my mom use to give me FOOD STAMPS for allowance, I'd buy a 1 cent piece of gum a bunch of times to get 10 dollars). Nobody I loafed with had ANY money or education. Now, if you got 'out of line' in my neighborhhod, you'd get your @ss kicked, BUT, nobody was going to shoot you.

The blacks NEED to fix their communities from within, and do it themselves. Quit having babies out of wedlock to start (70% of black kids are born out of wedlock, compared to 20% of whites). How is a young girl EVER going to make something of herself if she got 2 or 3 kids by her early 20's and she's on her own?

We could go on and on about this topic. I don't want to, cause I KNOW it WILL get ugly. Those 12 cities you listed before, look at those MUDER and CRIME rates. There's a reason that white people chose to flee the cities. That's all I'm going to say on that topic. I don't feel like getting dragged into a 'race war'. I won't change your opinon, and you won't change mine.

You are makin it ugly.You coming up with all this stuff i never said.I never said that whites ruined a city.You ran with that because you did not know what i was talking about.But do not accuse me of playing any type of race card because I did'nt.An event event happen and as a matter of consequence.You cannot differentiate the two.Im sorry you went there because obviously that what you believe.I personally believe you can be racist whether you are black white or whatever.It just so happen before you were born this country s facing the consequenses of problems not necessarily addressed.Poverty is something that all people go through,but you cannot tell me that you really believe that blacks have the majority of the money in this country?How is that if I bring up a question you act as if i am accusing you of something.Im not.If you go through the mountains of Appalacian to other poor white areas who will the same rates of teen ge pregnancy,drug use and broken homes.Poverty does this to all people who are not strong enough to get through it.
The majority of blacks are not poor,on welfare, or having babies out of wedlock.This is a correlation of generational poverty.Its a cycle,whether you are in th mountains or the inner city ghettos.The results are the same.I do not look at an area nd say look at those poor blacks or poor whites.Because i know my friends ,family and other people whom i know that are black don't live in the world you say they "our communities are"I have grown up in all black wealthy neghborhoods from Philly to Atlanta.I have also lived in Wealthy white areas.I know that people achieve based on a large part do to the OPPORTUNITIES that are presented to them.I know all white people are not rich,you assume I said that because I guess its comfortable and easy to wrap me up into some militant black liberal that hates whitey.The truth could not be further from that.YOU really should go back and read what i said and not what you want me to say.Its messed up that you took it there.Im talking staight up history and census stats and you get mad at me because of history happened?You do not think it has anything to do with today?

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

You are makin it ugly.You coming up with all this stuff i never said.I never said that whites ruined a city.You ran with that because you did not know what i was talking about.But do not accuse me of playing any type of race card because I did'nt.An event event happen and as a matter of consequence.You cannot differentiate the two.Im sorry you went there because obviously that what you believe.I personally believe you can be racist whether you are black white or whatever.It just so happen before you were born this country s facing the consequenses of problems not necessarily addressed.Poverty is something that all people go through,but you cannot tell me that you really believe that blacks have the majority of the money in this country?How is that if I bring up a question you act as if i am accusing you of something.Im not.If you go through the mountains of Appalacian to other poor white areas who will the same rates of teen ge pregnancy,drug use and broken homes.Poverty does this to all people who are not strong enough to get through it.
The majority of blacks are not poor,on welfare, or having babies out of wedlock.This is a correlation of generational poverty.Its a cycle,whether you are in th mountains or the inner city ghettos.The results are the same.I do not look at an area nd say look at those poor blacks or poor whites.Because i know my friends ,family and other people whom i know that are black don't live in the world you say they "our communities are"I have grown up in all black wealthy neghborhoods from Philly to Atlanta.I have also lived in Wealthy white areas.I know that people achieve based on a large part do to the OPPORTUNITIES that are presented to them.I know all white people are not rich,you assume I said that because I guess its comfortable and easy to wrap me up into some militant black liberal that hates whitey.The truth could not be further from that.YOU really should go back and read what i said and not what you want me to say.Its messed up that you took it there.Im talking staight up history and census stats and you get mad at me because of history happened?You do not think it has anything to do with today?

That stat about the blacks having kids 'out of wedlock' is a NATIONAL stat. Not local to one area or city.

Since you bring up the poor people of West Virginia. How about their MURDER rates and VIOLENT crime rates? Forget about the kids, drugs, etc. Compare Gary, In., to a poor town in WV. Do you think your chance of getting shot or robbed is the same? Why are black neighborhoods SO VIOLENT? A poor white one is NOWHERE near as violent. WHY?

Now, lets talk about the Murders in the US. How many of the people getting killed are black? And out of them dead black people, what race were they killed by (I'm sure you know is was by the hands of another black person). Blacks are killing blacks. It's sad, but true. Imagine if you didn't have to worry about getting shot in a black neighborhood. The $ you could save on rent, it would be GREAT! I'm sure you know Harlem is WAY cheaper, than say, the upper East or West side of Mannhattan.

I'd move to Harlem tommorow if that was the case, but REALITY is different. So, I CAN'T and I WON'T.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by welder

That stat about the blacks having kids 'out of wedlock' is a NATIONAL stat. Not local to one area or city.

Since you bring up the poor people of West Virginia. How about their MURDER rates and VIOLENT crime rates? Forget about the kids, drugs, etc. Compare Gary, In., to a poor town in WV. Do you think your chance of getting shot or robbed is the same? Why are black neighborhoods SO VIOLENT? A poor white one is NOWHERE near as violent. WHY?

Now, lets talk about the Murders in the US. How many of the people getting killed are black? And out of them dead black people, what race were they killed by (I'm sure you know is was by the hands of another black person). Blacks are killing blacks. It's sad, but true. Imagine if you didn't have to worry about getting shot in a black neighborhood. The $ you could save on rent, it would be GREAT! I'm sure you know Harlem is WAY cheaper, than say, the upper East or West side of Mannhattan.

I'd move to Harlem tommorow if that was the case, but REALITY is different. So, I CAN'T and I WON'T.

I don't disagree but you brought it up because i said something about white flight.All these stats you bring up now,were not issuse when the us cities were going through white flight.When there is less money for police ,jobs,teachers,everything goes down hill.Small black cities in the south do not have problems with gangs and crime.Black does not mean dangerous or bad.For you to bring it up as if black people by their race are more prone to violence or negative behavior than whites or any other race means that
A)You dont recognize or don't care how social ills come to happen in certain communities as result of negative events.ie slavery drugs,Jim Crow racism.
B)You really are racist.
C)You are not aware of african american history other than the poor areas in which you say you grew up near or in.Which is the larger problem of why racism exist because people rather come to their own conclusion without caring to know more than what they think they know about other races.

Do you know what the plantation owners used to keep the blacks from revolting?It was text book divide and conquer.Make the darker blacks ,inferior to the lighter ones by giveing them easier work.Do you know that the concept of divide and conquer works through the colonial African countries so well that today you still have those type of associations.They are more subtle but they do exist.What about Hispanic gangs and the violence on the border states?Are they also beneath white people because they are more violent?History plays a MAJOR role in things today.
If you had a son and you beat him,deprived him of food,and yell at himm everyday until he was 15.On that BDAY you say ok son no more beatings lets go to Disney World and from that point on treat him right.He gets married beats his wife,and treats his kids like he was treated.My point is there lasting generation consequenses for not just slavery but racism and Jim Crow laws and "white flight"Before the 60s black communites were not crime ridden and drug infested.WHat happened?Something changed.You are your mparents may have had nothing to do with racism but you as a white person will always benefit from it and that is a fact.It is a fact that even today black people and women make less than their white counterparts with the same education,and other credentials.A lot of it is who you know.They still say that most business deeals are made on the Golf course.Even after Tiger their are country clubs where im not welcome even though my parents had money!You being poor all you have to do is dress up and you are in the door.This is a truth and I don't cant see how you feel im making it up.Im not accusing you of anything.And believe lack of opportunity or not it does come down to personal responsibility,however its human nature no matter what color to go with peer pressure.

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

LOL.Well you may slum around in "cheap motels" but I sir do not!!LOL.Don't tell all your business.lOL

Ya, I slum around "cheap motels"?. I travel ALOT for work my man, so trying to find a decent 'motel' goes along with the job. 'Holiday Inns' are a little EXPENSIVE for a 2 or 3 month stay. Plus, I like 'motels' cause you can pull up, open the door, and unload the car without 'dragging ' every thing thru a 'lobby'.

I try and an find the best place I can (try to stay with the major chains like Motel 6, Super 8, Days Inn, etc.) The 'Days Inn' (which was an indoor one, like a 'hotel')I stayed in Detroit, had a 'used rubber' next to the bed. Needless to say, I 'checked out' on the SPOT! That job I was on at that time in Detroit, was an 8 week job. I moved to 3 different 'motels' in a 5 week period. Then, I 'drug up' (slang for quitting), I had seen and had ENOUGH of Detroit.

If you like Detroit, God bless you. I didn't and don't. By the way, it's kinda of ironic but, I'll be eating lunch in Detroit tommorow.

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

I don't disagree but you brought it up because i said something about white flight.All these stats you bring up now,were not issuse when the us cities were going through white flight.When there is less money for police ,jobs,teachers,everything goes down hill.Small black cities in the south do not have problems with gangs and crime.Black does not mean dangerous or bad.For you to bring it up as if black people by their race are more prone to violence or negative behavior than whites or any other race means that
A)You dont recognize or don't care how social ills come to happen in certain communities as result of negative events.ie slavery drugs,Jim Crow racism.
B)You really are racist.
C)You are not aware of african american history other than the poor areas in which you say you grew up near or in.Which is the larger problem of why racism exist because people rather come to their own conclusion without caring to know more than what they think they know about other races.

Do you know what the plantation owners used to keep the blacks from revolting?It was text book divide and conquer.Make the darker blacks ,inferior to the lighter ones by giveing them easier work.Do you know that the concept of divide and conquer works through the colonial African countries so well that today you still have those type of associations.They are more subtle but they do exist.What about Hispanic gangs and the violence on the border states?Are they also beneath white people because they are more violent?History plays a MAJOR role in things today.
If you had a son and you beat him,deprived him of food,and yell at himm everyday until he was 15.On that BDAY you say ok son no more beatings lets go to Disney World and from that point on treat him right.He gets married beats his wife,and treats his kids like he was treated.My point is there lasting generation consequenses for not just slavery but racism and Jim Crow laws and "white flight"Before the 60s black communites were not crime ridden and drug infested.WHat happened?Something changed.You are your mparents may have had nothing to do with racism but you as a white person will always benefit from it and that is a fact.It is a fact that even today black people and women make less than their white counterparts with the same education,and other credentials.A lot of it is who you know.They still say that most business deeals are made on the Golf course.Even after Tiger their are country clubs where im not welcome even though my parents had money!You being poor all you have to do is dress up and you are in the door.This is a truth and I don't cant see how you feel im making it up.Im not accusing you of anything.And believe lack of opportunity or not it does come down to personal responsibility,however its human nature no matter what color to go with peer pressure.

First of all, you need to start breaking your paragraphs up, they are too long and too hard to read.

Let me ask you, since your a 'history buff'. Did the 'white man', sneak into the countries of Africa, and steal those 'slaves'? Was it the 'white man' who decided to end the 'GODLESS ACT of SLAVERY' or not?

You say that 'white people' make more on average than their black counterparts. Ok, I'll take your word on that. But, how about when I walk into a post office in Chicago, and ALL the workers are black? Do you believe in AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? Is it fair that someone ONLY gets hired cause they're black?

It goes both ways you know. As far as the me benefitting from the blacks? How? My people were ALL from the 'city' of Pittsburgh. They didn't have 'plantations', they barely had a 'back yard', if any.

This is why RACISM will ALWAYS exist. People are tired of hearing about slavery and Jim Crow law. It was a SICK and TRAGIC thing. But, how many white people alive today had anything to do with either?

You can't changed what happened. And by ALWAYS bringing it up, inflames people. Bill Gates, the world's RICHEST MAN for well over a decade, DROPPEd OUT of Harvard. He started his business out of a 'garage'. Imagine that, out of some tiny garage. Anything is possible in America.

Like the 'REV WRIGHT'S' comments in Chicago, you think that didn't make white people mad about what he said? Then to see all them black people carrying on and jumping up and down and cheering as he was talking.

America is SOOOOO PC now, when a white man says these kind of things they're labeled a "racist". Did you catch the show "The View"? Did you hear Whoopi Goldberg's comments? Was that suppose to improve RACE relations?

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by welder

First of all, you need to start breaking your paragraphs up, they are too long and too hard to read.

Let me ask you, since your a 'history buff'. Did the 'white man', sneak into the countries of Africa, and steal those 'slaves'? Was it the 'white man' who decided to end the 'GODLESS ACT of SLAVERY' or not?

You say that 'white people' make more on average than their black counterparts. Ok, I'll take your word on that. But, how about when I walk into a post office in Chicago, and ALL the workers are black? Do you believe in AFFIRMATIVE ACTION? Is it fair that someone ONLY gets hired cause they're black?

It goes both ways you know. As far as the me benefitting from the blacks? How? My people were ALL from the 'city' of Pittsburgh. They didn't have 'plantations', they barely had a 'back yard', if any.

This is why RACISM will ALWAYS exist. People are tired of hearing about slavery and Jim Crow law. It was a SICK and TRAGIC thing. But, how many white people alive today had anything to do with either?

You can't changed what happened. And by ALWAYS bringing it up, inflames people. Bill Gates, the world's RICHEST MAN for well over a decade, DROPPEd OUT of Harvard. He started his business out of a 'garage'. Imagine that, out of some tiny garage. Anything is possible in America.

Like the 'REV WRIGHT'S' comments in Chicago, you think that didn't make white people mad about what he said? Then to see all them black people carrying on and jumping up and down and cheering as he was talking.

America is SOOOOO PC now, when a white man says these kind of things they're labeled a "racist". Did you catch the show "The View"? Did you hear Whoopi Goldberg's comments? Was that suppose to improve RACE relations?

you brought it up.Im not speaking for all balck people because i missed that last meeting !You mentioned about white filght that i was making it up.I showed you what it was.You said I was blaming white people.When white and black people know what this was because it happened!!Sociaologist everywhere use this term.Its written right there where I showed You and You still went on about unwed mothers and violent gangs.Well you wanted to know why I told you,you acknowledge that things happen it the past,All i said was its a fact that because of things in the past some of inner city black communities have problems from dealing with stauff over the years do to those things in the past and today.Just because you cant and do not want to accept the fact thatracism still exist in society today you wanna act like its all minorities "bad behavior" and whites are so good and never have any problems.Why do you think Native AMericans have such high suicide rates and alcholism.Rascim exist in this country because when you are unwilling to listen and EMPHASIZE its bad effects are MAIN reason for a particular communities downfall then it will always be a problem between those affected and those who refuse to acknowledge their is a problem.

You keep bringing up black people and Rev.Wright..WHAT???Now I know you are racist because you think just because you saw some people in his church agreeing with him then we must all think alike.I am not a fan of the man but i do understand his thought process.AMERICA the country i swore to protect has not in the past treated me,my parents or my ancestors right.Many have had their health and life played with by experimenting and lying government(WHITE)scientist for 40 yearsTuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Their famileis watching their love ones suffer.It took until Bill Clinton became president to issue a formal apology and to compensate those families that suffer.Have you ever visted a civil rights museum?The Holocast museum?Before you speak with such authority and condemnation you should know that it is by faith and god ourselves that most people are proud that we have achieved as much as we have inspite of today the denials of responsiblity that your ancestors and even you live today to benefit the fruits of those people that were and are the decendants of such terrible human suffering at the hands of people who claim not to be racist but fail to change their behavior if not just for show on the outside while their insides burn with intolerance and SELF Righteousness.

Im not the one that believes that all white people are racist as and think alike but you sir have shown in several of your staement that we all do say thi or all do that.You may not think you are not a racist but until you accept people as being equall and accept that fact that you benefit from racism then no we cant move forward.In your mind rather think we have a problem with achieving greatness on par with whites because SOME of you are "SICK AND TIRED" but not SICK AND TIRED enough to help with the situation in these communities because its THEM not ME.Yes black people still believe in America,but we realized long ago that AMerica does not believe in us.This is my home and its just as much mine as it is yours.Unforturnately I have to prove it more than yout hat i have rights to all that you have by hard work and determination without the notice of the color of my skin.

On this site alone just today,some idiot responds to my post explaining that "American children are not less intelligent than French children (as the original poster said)I went on to say that the French schools are better because unlike in America,schools are only as good as the district is wealthy or not.Poor schools have less resources.In France schools have the same funding and curriculum across the board.So children regardless of their sex,race, or nationality are not smarter for those reasons.Another poster answered and said that "thats not true black children always test lower than white students".WHAT?Its a fact that students from African countries do much better than not just the native born blacks,but also better than there white American born counterparts"THIS IS FACTUAL.So because this is true why are blacks in America going through these things win Africans in America are not..Trust me read up and you will know more than what you think you know

The fact that you do not understand tha just because the sin was black in Afirica,does not mean they were friends.They were at war with each other.African tradition of slavery meant that you could live among your captors,marry into,and increase your status,and work for the tribe NOT A MASTER.That type of sdlavery that is race based is called "chattel slavery".The Arabs started it.Don't repeat stuff unless you know the whole history and not what the RACIST people want you to know.African NEVER had a concept of slavery where you had a master and were indepted as PROPERTY.So do not try to use it as justification for the treatment of slaves.
Do you know that JPMorgan Chase and FleetBoston; insurance companies (e.g., Aetna and New York Life); railroads (Norfolk Southern, Union Pacific and CSX); tobacco companies (R.J. Reynolds, Brown & Williamson); and a textile manufacturer (WestPoint Stevens) used labor and insured slaves becuase they were property.These are northern companies that still wxist today.Many are no longer in busines or merged.

As far as blacks at the post office.That has nothing to do with race.Government jobs typically are done competetive placement not affirmative action.Thats totally not true.Its because they dont weigh heavly on race that you see many people that work in the goverment are black.White people don;t have to apply for jobs with the government.Its easier for you to get jobs in the private sector because it is easier to higher some on race.

If Affirmative Action worked the way you think it workls then the unemployment rate among blacks would not be twice as higher than the whites.Its irrelevant because for some reason you think im gonna say its right that if you are white are discriminated against.Its not so stop bring up stuff as if I would agree.Racism is wrong.whether white or black.

You must have forgotten that Affirmative action was abolished in the fisrt George Bush(the father) administration.And that has never been how A.A has ever worked!!It was only when two equally qualified people were considered did A>A. ever matter.And yes iagree with that.How else would it be fair to let a disadvantage race of people catch up?

[welder]

Originally Posted by afonega1

you brought it up.Im not speaking for all balck people because i missed that last meeting !You mentioned about white filght that i was making it up.I showed you what it was.You said I was blaming white people.When white and black people know what this was because it happened!!Sociaologist everywhere use this term.Its written right there where I showed You and You still went on about unwed mothers and violent gangs.Well you wanted to know why I told you,you acknowledge that things happen it the past,All i said was its a fact that because of things in the past some of inner city black communities have problems from dealing with stauff over the years do to those things in the past and today.Just because you cant and do not want to accept the fact thatracism still exist in society today you wanna act like its all minorities "bad behavior" and whites are so good and never have any problems.Why do you think Native AMericans have such high suicide rates and alcholism.Rascim exist in this country because when you are unwilling to listen and EMPHASIZE its bad effects are MAIN reason for a particular communities downfall then it will always be a problem between those affected and those who refuse to acknowledge their is a problem.
You keep bringing up black people and Rev.Wright..WHAT???Now I know you are racist because you think just because you saw some people in his church agreeing with him then we must all think alike.I am not a fan of the man but i do understand his thought process.AMERICA the country i swore to protect has not in the past treated me,my parents or my ancestors right.Many have had their health and life played with by experimenting and lying government(WHITE)scientist for 40 yearsTuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
their famileis watching their love ones suffer.It took until Bill Clinton became president to issue a formal apology and to compensate those families that suffer.Have you ever visted a civil rights museum?The Holocast museum?Before you speak with such authority and condemnation you should know that it is by faith and god ourselves that most people are proud that we have achieved as much as we have inspite of today the denials of responsiblity that your ancestors and even you live today to benefit the fruits of those people that were and are the decendants of such terrible human suffering at the hands of people who claim not to be racist but fail to change their behavior if not just for show on the outside while their insides burn with intolerance and SELF RiGHTEOUSNESS.

Im not the one that believes that all white people are racist as and think alike but you sir have shown in several of your staement that we all do say thi or all do that.You may not think you are not a racist but until you accept people as being equall and accept that fact that you benefit from racism then no we cant move forward.In your mind rather think we have a problem with acheiving greatness on par with whites because SOME of you are "SICK AND TIRED" but not SICK AND TIRED enough to help with the situation in these communities because its THEM not ME.Yes black people still believe in America,but we realized long ago that AMerica does not believe in us.This is my home and its just as much mine as it is yours.Unforturnately I have to prove it more than yout hat i have rights to all that you have by hard work and determination without the notice of the color of my skin.

On this site alone just todday,some idiot responds to my post explaining that "American children are not less inteligent than French children (as the original poster said)I went on to say that the French schools are better because unlike in America,schools are only as good as the district is wealthy ornot.Poor schools have less resources.In France scholls have the same funding and curriculum across the board.So chidren regardless of ther sex,race, or nationality are not smarter for those reasons.Another poster answered and said that "thats not true black children always test lower than white students".WHAT?Its a fact that students from African countries do much better than not just the native born blacks,but also better than there white american born counterparts"THIS IS FACTUAL.So because this is true why are blacks in America going through these things win Africans in America are not..Trust me read up and you will know more than what you think you know

I told you to break the paragraphs up! Hit the enter button and you'll get a space. It 's going to be hard to answer cause you didn't break the paragraphs up.

Let's start with the 'indians'. The reason that indians have problems with ALCOHOL, is cause it hasn't been around their people a long time. We introduced it to them a few hundred years ago. Over in Europe and Africa it's been around since and before Christ.

The mid-evil times were nothing more than ONE BIG drunken rampage (I don't think that Vikings were tee-toters). They also say that the Irish have a greater chance of problem drinking cause of how it was looked at in Ireland as something bad.

Example, the Italians would drink a few glasses of whine every night with dinner. Where the Irish would go out once a week and do it (and over consume). I'm not going into a LONG debate over that, you either understand the concept and theory, or you don't.

"I don't want to except the fact that RACISM exist"? Everybody in the WORLD, has had a racist thought at some point in their lives. The 'REV Jesse Jackson' admitted to spitting in 'white people's' salads when he worked at a Country Club. I'd say that was a 'little racist', wouldn't you?

Because I brought up 'REV WRIGHT', I'm a racist? No, I was trying to show you, how in this DAY and AGE, black people open the scab, by reminding everybody about the past. You said what? That, "You understand his thought process". Maybe, you are a racist and don't even know it. I guess you like when he said "God DAMN America" too? And please, don't try to spin this like Obama's PR people did.

If America, was that bad to you and your family, why not move then? I'm sure you could immigrate back to your 'ancestors' homeland. The more EDUCATEd blacks that go to the countries in Africa, the better those countries would be. Your people could really use the help. Become a teacher or something over there. Go back to your roots and embrace them.

Holocast musuem? Are 'white Americans' to blame for Hitler now too? You forget, American blood spilled in Europe is ONE of the MAIN reasons Germany didn't succeed. The victory along the shores of Normandy alone, was a BIG swing in the war.

I'm glad you don't think all white people are racist. Cause some black people are, and some ain't. The old saying, "You can bring a horse to the troth, but you can't make him drink from it", comes to mind when you suggest that white people haven't tried to help blacks out. We can only do so much, at some point, 'personal responsibility' has to play a role in blacks suceeding in life.

Wasn't that what Obama was saying. And isn't that what made 'Rev Jesse Jackson' mad and he got caught on Fox News saying what he did? Jesse "considered' that to be "talking down to black people" where his own words. I guess Jesse couldn't make a living if all the blacks did that. He enjoys the blame game and feeding off racism instead of really trying to help his people.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by welder

I told you to break the paragraphs up! Hit the enter button and you'll get a space. It 's going to be hard to answer cause you didn't break the paragraphs up.

Let's start with the 'indians'. The reason that indians have problems with ALCOHOL, is cause it hasn't been around their people a long time. We introduced it to them a few hundred years ago. Over in Europe and Africa it's been around since and before Christ.

The mid-evil times were nothing more than ONE BIG drunken rampage (I don't think that Vikings were tee-toters). They also say that the Irish have a greater chance of problem drinking cause of how it was looked at in Ireland as something bad.

Example, the Italians would drink a few glasses of whine every night with dinner. Where the Irish would go out once a week and do it (and over consume). I'm not going into a LONG debate over that, you either understand the concept and theory, or you don't.

"I don't want to except the fact that RACISM exist"? Everybody in the WORLD, has had a racist thought at some point in their lives. The 'REV Jesse Jackson' admitted to spitting in 'white people's' salads when he worked at a Country Club. I'd say that was a 'little racist', wouldn't you?

Because I brought up 'REV WRIGHT', I'm a racist? No, I was trying to show you, how in this DAY and AGE, black people open the scab, by reminding everybody about the past. You said what? That, "You understand his thought process". Maybe, you are a racist and don't even know it. I guess you like when he said "God DAMN America" too? And please, don't try to spin this like Obama's PR people did.

If America, was that bad to you and your family, why not move then? I'm sure you could immigrate back to your 'ancestors' homeland. The more EDUCATEd blacks that go to the countries in Africa, the better those countries would be. Your people could really use the help. Become a teacher or something over there. Go back to your roots and embrace them.

Holocast musuem? Are 'white Americans' to blame for Hitler now too? You forget, American blood spilled in Europe is ONE of the MAIN reasons Germany didn't succeed. The victory along the shores of Normandy alone, was a BIG swing in the war.

I'm glad you don't think all white people are racist. Cause some black people are, and some ain't. The old saying, "You can bring a horse to the troth, but you can't make him drink from it", comes to mind when you suggest that white people haven't tried to help blacks out. We can only do so much, at some point, 'personal responsibility' has to play a role in blacks suceeding in life.

Wasn't that what Obama was saying. And isn't that what made 'Rev Jesse Jackson' mad and he got caught on Fox News saying what he did? Jesse "considered' that to be "talking down to black people" where his own words. I guess Jesse couldn't make a living if all the blacks did that. He enjoys the blame game and feeding off racism instead of really trying to help his people.

So your'e telling me that even though STILL today.Thateven if I and other black people STILL experience DISCRIMINATION In the work place and income disparity.I should just shut up and let it to continue to happen.Because you and most other whites are tired of us bringing it up.Also because I bring it up I should go back to Africa?OMG!! IM ThROUGH WITH tHIS.Im NOT AFRICAN,IM AMERICAN.YOU GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY.The fact that you and other whites who can't stand to listen or empathize with the ill effects of racism and discrimination, so you tell anybody who complains "TO GO bACK WHERE WE came FROM is completely my point.YOu made it oh so clear of where you and the other "SICK and Tired whites" want blacks to do and thats to sit down shut up or leave.

This is the American solution to everything.How many times have you been around other white people and heard them say derogatory things and you don't say anything to correct them?Ask me that question,I have always been taught not to make excuses for the fact that if you are black in America,you will have a strike against you.Do NOT FALL in the TRAP that to many of blacks do.Luckly i had educated parents and grandparents that were still together to support me in all that i did and to sheild me from some of the discrimination without completely being naive.

When I became and adult.I realized all was not fair.Ive been treated badly by supervisors at work that were openly racist to the point it almost broke me down.Many times id cry to my parents about the way I was treated in my new job 600mles away.My dad told do my avoid the traps,do what they say and i will get through and in time it will be exposed.Thank god for my parents,because I got through it.Their are people that will tell me im making this up just so they can feel better about this country.The fact is people do not realize they are racist until they are confronted with contact with a black or minority and their experience differs from that of their own.

Just because i made a factual point you went off the handle and called me a racist and someone who is blaming "whites for all the ills of society.My points as I said in my first response which you seem to wanna keep putting words in my mouth that I never said,yet it must be easier for you to make me into some black power radical."Personnal responsibility" is two ways.I repeat it again the problems in SOME black communities is that it really comes down to taken personnal responsibility.No one is making anybody steal or have kids out of wedlock.You will never har me suggest anything other than that.However You MUST accept the fact that IF you are a person that believes that one race is predisposed to bad nature or greatness than any other,then by definition of the word RACISM you are a racist.If you can accept that circumstances,history ,and lack of opportunity to suceed in a world makes it harder for someone to suceed vs someone who has never had to go through it THEN you can HELP make AMERICA better because its not just a black or,hispanic problem.Its this countries problem and its legacy.White and Black at some point have to listen and work together to find a solution

I have said nothing about Rev,WRIGHT or Jesse JAckson or any other.Majority of blacks that i know have long ago stop supporting J.JAckson.YOU wanna bring it up as if its some type of Justification.I REPEAT, WE DO NOT ALL THINK A LIKE!!DAVID DUKE,THE ARYANS,JESSE HELMS AND OTHER RACIST ARE AND WERE SUPPORTED BY ALOT OF PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME.Does that make all white people responsible for their careers.Just STop this because you really are unprepared.

Oh one more thing the war and Normandy.And Hitler not succeeding.those same black soldier that w ere sent over there to liberate were mistreated badly by there own government but they stuck with it.My grandfather was one of those veterans of that war.How did they repay him after he was wounded with a purple heart.almost 20 years later in the early sevent when i was no more than 5years old.Three white men burned him alive in his house in South Georgia,they were caught with object that caused the fire and property that belonged to my Grandparents.By and all white Jury they got off!!Several years later the appeals (about 15 years)went on.My parents never once told me to hate anybody back.I was alive when this happened,ny dad was in Vietnam.He ahd to be flown back to bury his father.Just because my grandparents had a little more money than people were used to seein blacks with.Don't even let me tell you about my dads experinces growing up.

Anyway it does not matter to people who wanna believe that blacks are inferior.Its easier for them to deal with.Im done.Im getting depressed.You can type what you want im finished.You are more interested in getting the last word than listening so have it.I have been very rational to no avail ,bye

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Originally Posted by afonega1

So your'e telling me that even though STILL today.Thateven if I and other black people STILL experience DISCRIMINATION In the work place and income disparity.I should just shut up and let it to continue to happen.Because you and most other whites are tired of us bringing it up.Also because I bring it up I should go back to Africa?OMG!! IM ThROUGH WITH tHIS.Im NOT AFRICAN,IM AMERICAN.YOU GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY.The fact that you and other whites who can't stand to listen or empathize with the ill effects of racism and discrimination, so you tell anybody who complains "TO GO bACK WHERE WE came FROM is completely my point.YOu made it oh so clear of where you and the other "SICK and Tired whites" want blacks to do and thats to sit down shut up or leave.

This is the American solution to everything.How many times have you been around other white people and heard them say derogatory things and you don't say anything to correct them?Ask me that question,I have always been taught not to make excuses for the fact that if you are black in America,you will have a strike against you.Do NOT FALL in the TRAP that to many of blacks do.Luckly i had educated parents and grandparents that were still together to support me in all that i did and to sheild me from some of the discrimination without completely being naive.

When I became and adult.I realized all was not fair.Ive been treated badly by supervisors at work that were openly racist to the point it almost broke me down.Many times id cry to my parents about the way I was treated in my new job 600mles away.My dad told do my avoid the traps,do what they say and i will get through and in time it will be exposed.Thank god for my parents,because I got through it.Their are people that will tell me im making this up just so they can feel better about this country.The fact is people do not realize they are racist until they are confronted with contact with a black or minority and their experience differs from that of their own.

Just because i made a factual point you went off the handle and called me a racist and someone who is blaming "whites for all the ills of society.My points as I said in my first response which you seem to wanna keep putting words in my mouth that I never said,yet it must be easier for you to make me into some black power radical."Personnal responsibility" is two ways.I repeat it again the problems in SOME black communities is that it really comes down to taken personnal responsibility.No one is making anybody steal or have kids out of wedlock.You will never har me suggest anything other than that.However You MUST accept the fact that IF you are a person that believes that one race is predisposed to bad nature or greatness than any other,then by definition of the word RACISM you are a racist.If you can accept that circumstances,history ,and lack of opportunity to suceed in a world makes it harder for someone to suceed vs someone who has never had to go through it THEN you can HELP make AMERICA better because its not just a black or,hispanic problem.Its this countries problem and its legacy.White and Black at some point have to listen and work together to find a solution

I have said nothing about Rev,WRIGHT or Jesse JAckson or any other.Majority of blacks that i know have long ago stop supporting J.JAckson.YOU wanna bring it up as if its some type of Justification.I REPEAT, WE DO NOT ALL THINK A LIKE!!DAVID DUKE,THE ARYANS,JESSE HELMS AND OTHER RACIST ARE AND WERE SUPPORTED BY ALOT OF PEOPLE FOR A LONG TIME.Does that make all white people responsible for their careers.Just STop this because you really are unprepared.

Oh one more thing the war and Normandy.And Hitler not succeeding.those same black soldier that w ere sent over there to liberate were mistreated badly by there own government but they stuck with it.My grandfather was one of those veterans of that war.How did they repay him after he was wounded with a purple heart.almost 20 years later in the early sevent when i was no more than 5years old.Three white men burned him alive in his house in South Georgia,they were caught with object that caused the fire and property that belonged to my Grandparents.By and all white Jury they got off!!Several years later the appeals (about 15 years)went on.My parents never once told me to hate anybody back.I was alive when this happened,ny dad was in Vietnam.He ahd to be flown back to bury his father.Just because my grandparents had a little more money than people were used to seein blacks with.Don't even let me tell you about my dads experinces growing up.

Anyway it does not matter to people who wanna believe that blacks are inferior.Its easier for them to deal with.Im done.Im getting depressed.You can type what you want im finished.You are more interested in getting the last word than listening so have it.I have been very rational to no avail ,bye

If I felt that way towards America (the way you SAY that you and your family has been treated), I would go back to Ireland (by the way, the Irish weren't exactly welcomed with open arms when they arrived in America).

If you reread my POST, I said "American Blood", I never said "White American Blood", I'm aware that there were blacks that fought and died in World War 2. And how did they repay your grandpap? What about the Vietnam vets who were SPAT on and called 'babie killers' when they got back from Nam? You think the white ones weren't subjected to that?

You don't like working for the 'man'? Start your own business. Quit so much, and just do it! The rest of what you wrote? Yada Yada Yada......