Saxby Chambliss (Martin: low income, tax rates, living)

[JPD]

Originally Posted by neil0311

Wonder who they voted for?

Let's not pretend one side has the corner maketed when it comes to dimwits.

That's would be just plain dumb.

[RoslynHolcomb]

Hey, I'm not from Georgia Neil, I'm originally from Alabama, a state where we consider ourselves lucky if the governor makes it through his term without being indicted. However, it's my understanding that Chambliss is basically being hoisted on his own petard, vis a vis his campaign against Cleland. So for him to complain about his views being misrepresented now, all I can do is shrug. Payback is, and always has been a bad mother shut your mouth.

[RoslynHolcomb]

EDIT: BTW...I stood in line to vote at the West Cobb location, and I can tell you that I heard people talking in line who didn't have the slightest grasp of the issues or reality. People were blaming Bush for 9/11 and all kinds of really way out there things. Wonder who they voted for?

And I'm sure plenty of people went to the polls saying that Obama was a MuslimArabWitchAnti-ChristDrugDealingTerrorist. With any luck the dumb will cancel out the dumber.

I didn't call the Republicans uninformed and ignorant. I said that they've made it their bread and butter to appeal to the uninformed and ignorant. Or did you not hear what their former chairman said about their much-lauded 'Southern strategy?' It was so appalling that he felt compelled to apologize for it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...071302342.html

[staywarm2]

Originally Posted by atlantagreg30127

Maybe Clark Howard should just run to be ruler of all of Georgia, filling all political seats. No more Senators or Representatives or Mayors - just Clark Howard. Hey - it might work.

Clark Howard for King of the USA!!

Sad to say I heard him on the radio the other day say he was not going to run for mayor. Too Bad! We could use a decent, honest politician for a change.

[staywarm2]

Originally Posted by RoslynHolcomb

Anyone have the Cliff Notes version. I'm not going to plow through a book on taxes anytime soon, but will read something online if it exists. I'd be interested to at least know what it is that they're advocating. Isn't it the same thing Forbes was proposing back in 1996? I did read about that and was opposed to it as it would be unfairly biased against low-income people. But having not read it, I'll reserve my judgment until I know more.

The Fair Tax would put the supposed honesty of retail stores, etc. in charge of our taxes. I sure don't trust them. Any CASH that came across their counters is too easy for them to put in their pockets and not report. No thanks to the Fair Tax. And checks mailed out to people who earn under the lowest limit. Now where would those check end up?? I don't think so, Saxby and Neal.

[staywarm2]

Originally Posted by neil0311

Whether or not that's true isn't what's up for debate. The debate is about the fact that Jim Martin and his national proxies intentionally distorted what it is and what it's not, simply to try and pass a lie by the electorate here in Georgia.

They didn't give the facts and ask people to pick the candidate that agrees more with them, they lied boldly in an attempt to pick up the votes of the unimformed and ignorant, of which there are many.

And like the national candidates don't lie? I hear JOhn McCain and Sarah Palin at it every day!

[CMMom]

Originally Posted by staywarm2

The Fair Tax would put the supposed honesty of retail stores, etc. in charge of our taxes. I sure don't trust them. Any CASH that came across their counters is too easy for them to put in their pockets and not report. No thanks to the Fair Tax. And checks mailed out to people who earn under the lowest limit. Now where would those check end up?? I don't think so, Saxby and Neal.

I'm not sure what you're referring to here, but under the FairTax proposal, ALL families (regardless of income) would receive a monthly "prebate" to cover the necessities (e.g., groceries, etc...). The amount each family receives would be based upon the number of people in the household. No IRS, so no one is keeping track of anyone's income level anymore. Those checks would end up with everyone!

[RoslynHolcomb]

Originally Posted by CMMom

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I'm not sure what you're referring to here, but under the FairTax proposal, ALL families (regardless of income) would receive a monthly "prebate" to cover the necessities (e.g., groceries, etc...). The amount each family receives would be based upon the number of people in the household. No IRS, so no one is keeping track of anyone's income level anymore. Those checks would end up with everyone!

But who's keeping track of the number of people in your household? Would they get it from Social Security information? Who would we report this information to if there's no IRS? Somebody would have to keep track of it. Somebody would have to issue the prebate checks. So, would be trading the IRS for an equally invasive agency who would then be tracking who lives with us? And who's job would it be to ensure that people are honest about the number of people in our household? I haven't read much yet, but I think the claim about abolishing the IRS is a bit misleading. It would have to replaced with an agency of some sort. Issuing a couple hundred million prebate checks each month is going to require a pretty large bureaucracy as well. Or am I misreading something here?

[CMMom]

According to Linder and Boortz, The FairTax Book (I only have the first edition, the second edition might clarify this more), after the Fair Tax becomes law, every head of household would be asked to file one simple report with the government. All you need to do is list the name and Social Security number of everyone living under your roof. The government would use computers to match and compare SSN's. Once the names of heads of household are assembled, it would be a simple matter for the government to create the database of those who will receive the monthly prebates.

There is also the possiblity of a FairTax Card. The government could issue such a card to every head of household who has registered with the federal government. The card would be like a bank debit card, with a magnetic stripe identifying you and coded with your PIN. Then they could zap your card with credit for your monthly prebate.

If this sounds unmanageable, I'd say to check what they say about it in the 2nd edition of the book:

FairTax: The Truth: Answering the Critics

It's probably addressed in more detail there. Also, look at:

The Fairtax Calculator

It's addressed under FAQ's there as well.

[RainyRainyDay]

Originally Posted by CMMom

According to Linder and Boortz, The FairTax Book (I only have the first edition, the second edition might clarify this more), after the Fair Tax becomes law, every head of household would be asked to file one simple report with the government.

Seems rather like a tax return.

As an immigrant, I have personally experienced the byzantine complications of moving internationally. How do the FairTax folks plan to deal with all the international tax treaties that the US has signed? How will they deal with Americans living abroad, and legal non-immigrants residing here?