Georgia stays RED!

[JPD]

Originally Posted by jsimms3

for fear of offending certain people or groups, I will just agree that much discussion goes on in bars. However, I will just leave it at that and you can feel free to guess my opinions and what not. When I go to a bar, I usually avoid taboo topics like politics or religion, but I can see many of the "intellectual progressives" over in the Highlands and Little 5 discussing politics and legalization etc like there is no tomorrow.

What are you doing in bars at 20 years of age?

[CityFan]

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I was not trying to pat myself on the back, this thread is about politics, and my root argument is always having to do with core conservative beliefs: less government, more personal choice and freedoms (to succeed or fail), and you cannot make a case for less government for one thing and more government for other things, it just does not work.
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LOL, how less is less, and how more is more? You cant just have ideology and don't apply to each idividual issue. What about gay marriage? Is it personal choice? What about current financial crisis? Should government save the market? What is the consequence if the government doesn't get involved? National security issue? Wire tapping? I don't think anyone can give perfect answers to all questions out there. We live in a world which is conflicting sometime. In my view no party, "conservitive" or "liberal" is perfect for people. I think people are looking for a balancing point where we can realize American dreams. A well balanced society is a state when all parties can draw together and majority people's voice, in this case middle class, is heard. Don't get me wrong. Conceptually less government is right, however practically government still has to be a watchdog to balance everything out. Take health insurance as an example. This country spends most money in health care in developed countries; while quality of health care is not top rated. Do you think there is something we need to do?

[jsimms3]

talk to liberal judges who allow frivolous lawsuits to continue, which drive up medical costs and paperwork, which drive up insurance costs. also we have the best healthcare in the world for the most part bar none. go to Canada and Europe for health care before you start complaining about our system. wire tapping, that has to do with the one thing the government has an obligation to do, protect us. the other day some web site called me knowing all my information, and I of course had a big problem with that and am pursuing this, but i told the person on the other line that if they were FBI or CIA or Homeland Security pursuing a possible threat, then that would be a different tale. BTW, government should stay out of the current financial crisis, you would think we would have learned our lesson from Herbert Hoover in the 30s and then the continuation by FDR. Balancing points are for people who cannot decide what they want in life, that is just my opinion of things.

Life lesson, did your mom ever offer dessert after your dinner and you said I don't really care. Well I did once and did not get any dessert. More people in this country need to get educated on the facts and on history and then make up their minds. Our generation only wants more government because we are used to more government at this point, and it is sad. A couple generations from now we might be like Europe. Won't that be great, high unemployment, companies not allowed to fire people for unproductivity, no religion, whatever the individual thinks is right goes, poor health care, grafiti, a faulty bank system, extreme taxation, gas that costs 8-10.00/gallon, terrorist attacks on a society that seems not to care, etc.

[Iconographer]

Originally Posted by jsimms3

talk to liberal judges who allow frivolous lawsuits to continue, which drive up medical costs and paperwork, which drive up insurance costs. also we have the best healthcare in the world for the most part bar none. go to Canada and Europe for health care before you start complaining about our system. wire tapping, that has to do with the one thing the government has an obligation to do, protect us. the other day some web site called me knowing all my information, and I of course had a big problem with that and am pursuing this, but i told the person on the other line that if they were FBI or CIA or Homeland Security pursuing a possible threat, then that would be a different tale. BTW, government should stay out of the current financial crisis, you would think we would have learned our lesson from Herbert Hoover in the 30s and then the continuation by FDR. Balancing points are for people who cannot decide what they want in life, that is just my opinion of things.

Life lesson, did your mom ever offer dessert after your dinner and you said I don't really care. Well I did once and did not get any dessert. More people in this country need to get educated on the facts and on history and then make up their minds. Our generation only wants more government because we are used to more government at this point, and it is sad. A couple generations from now we might be like Europe. Won't that be great, high unemployment, companies not allowed to fire people for unproductivity, no religion, whatever the individual thinks is right goes, poor health care, grafiti, a faulty bank system, extreme taxation, gas that costs 8-10.00/gallon, terrorist attacks on a society that seems not to care, etc.

j, I concur with you on this statement. Many people on this forum seem to believe that Europe exists in this utopian socialist bubble. Because of my husband's work, we both spend a great deal of time in Europe and have cultivated a great many friends there. I was staying in Paris during the last election and I am here to say that citizens were FED UP with the economic conditions there as well as the rioting among young Muslims. What we get from their media seems to be nowhere close to the reality of life there (sound familiar?).

[CityFan]

[quote=jsimms3;6160784]talk to liberal judges who allow frivolous lawsuits to continue, which drive up medical costs and paperwork, which drive up insurance costs. also we have the best healthcare in the world for the most part bar none. go to Canada and Europe for health care before you start complaining about our system. wire tapping, that has to do with the one thing the government has an obligation to do, protect us. the other day some web site called me knowing all my information, and I of course had a big problem with that and am pursuing this, but i told the person on the other line that if they were FBI or CIA or Homeland Security pursuing a possible threat, then that would be a different tale. BTW, government should stay out of the current financial crisis, you would think we would have learned our lesson from Herbert Hoover in the 30s and then the continuation by FDR. Balancing points are for people who cannot decide what they want in life, that is just my opinion of things.[quote]
I am not critizing what have been done or what has not been done. There are things that were done right and things that were done wrong. My point is everything is relative. You blamed rising medical costs on frivolous lawsuits, but you didn't see the other side of the issue: greed. How come Americans pay much more for same medications than our neighboring countries? Do you know once it was hot topic to allow reimport medications? Yes, to people who can afford sky rocketing high medical bills, this system is good, but many middle class families can't afford getting medical attention for their family members. How can we conclude it's top rated? I didn't mean that government shouldn't save this crisis. Contradictarily I support government actions and support government shifting away from original intention to buy trouble assets. That was right step toward to protect tax payers money.

Life lesson, did your mom ever offer dessert after your dinner and you said I don't really care. Well I did once and did not get any dessert. More people in this country need to get educated on the facts and on history and then make up their minds. Our generation only wants more government because we are used to more government at this point, and it is sad. A couple generations from now we might be like Europe. Won't that be great, high unemployment, companies not allowed to fire people for unproductivity, no religion, whatever the individual thinks is right goes, poor health care, grafiti, a faulty bank system, extreme taxation, gas that costs 8-10.00/gallon, terrorist attacks on a society that seems not to care, etc.

You painted a black picture of Europe. Yes, Europe does have its problems. However rich Europians don't think so. Everywhere rich people never thinks the system has fatal problems. You don't know how much deficit this country is running. How much money does this country borrow from China? You will be surprised to know the truth. Just because people know issues very well, they are looking for a balancing point, rather than you said they didn't know what they wanted. All issues I touched were just a little part of exsistance. I don't think anyone have a good answer. Obama is hired to find it for us.

[FromCLTtoATL]

Originally Posted by spacelord75

one of the most annoying things about politics is the elitist snobbery that extreme left and right exhibit regarding their side of the argument.

amen!