Atlanta, Grow Up!! (White: schools, pollution, housing)

[afonega1]

CITY-FANATIC:WOW!!Don't even know where to start.You definately have your biased opionions.I guess if we are all Gods children,some are MORE SO than others?Especially since we "retarded black people" havesuch low I.Q.scores.

As far as neighborhoods go.I have friends that live in a Beazer homes subdivision in the Cascades that is 90 percent black.The least expensive house there is $350,000.There are a few well over a $1.5 million.They deal with breakins just like the people in Buckhead do.Yet the home prices have stayed at the par or risen.(current market who knows?)In fact there has been an increase in white affluent resident moving to the South Side(Camp Creek,Cascades,College Park).

You bring up all these black run countries and cities yet you seem to ignore that history of exploitation and interference by European countries has greatly affected the outcome of what has transpired in the African Diaspora.Never in the same ways.Before their was a Egypt their was Nubia.The Black Pharoahs ruled and innovated many of once was credited with Egypt.Those ideas that were subjugated for the Greeks after they conquered Egypt.Their were many great emppire in Africa.Such as the Great Zimbabwe,where Cecil Rhodes claimed that no "Blacks or Africans could have created such massive and intricate kingdom.Black Pharaohs - National Geographic Magazine


As far as immigrants moving here.They must have some type of support system.No matter how intelligent and resourceful one is,it still will not replace having some type of support.African and Carribean make the highest grades,acheivement than Native blacks.Why?Many reasons.http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.c...ive_blacks.php

But all blacks are not the same.Africans fought among other Africans as Europeans did the same.The difference is that they fought within their Continent of origin.They conquered each other which made it easier for the Europeans to come and take control of their destiny.Was not even about race in those days.It was about power and greed.Blacks were selling each other from different tribes,accepting the money from the Europeans to build their Kingdoms,not realizing that they were only building a bigger enemy from a far.

As far as why you see negative aspects of a multicural society (in the U.S.).You cannot have negative things like high crime,poor infrastructure and other bad things without having to had participate in negative behavior at the onset of your beginnings.I.E.:slavery,jim crow,Tuskegee Experiment,denial of patents to black inventors,denying loans,housing etc...All these things that are done to uplift the one segment of the society will have negative impact of the community as a whole.Eventually bringing down the whole society.There will be NO WHERE else to move to.Positive change would have to be forced and dealt with or else we all die.

Truth is you can believe that stupid book the "Tiping Point" all you want,but you should also recognize that many of these standards used by western society are at best only relative.Even the idea of race is not a reality.Race des not exist by scientific terminology.

Also if you say you are for people bettering themselves,no matter the color yet you fail to mention if bettering oneself should be at the expense of others by any means necessary?How doe you explain that every minority world wide is usauly behind in terms of clout economically and politically in majority ruled countries?South Africa was built on brutal treatment of blacks for over 100 years.Forced to live in squalor,subpar education opportunities,and widespread poverty.Then they gave control over to those very same people and you expect their to be no widespread problems?

[City Fanatic]

Originally Posted by afonega1

WOW!!Dont even know where to start.You definately have your biased opionions.

We all have our biases. However, I try to be as realistic as possible about the current state of affairs. To be ignorant to reality is to not be an educated individual, in my opinion.

I guess if we are all Gods children,some are MORE SO than others?Especially since we "retarded black people" havesuch low I.Q.scores.

Blacks are of average lower intelligence. This has been documented for decades. I don't know why to state such a fact is wrong. I've pointed out that there is a range in IQ amongst all people.

We are all God's Children, and to God, we are all equal as a child of God. We all have a soul, designed to be filled with God's spirit. That doesn't mean that all of us are equal in abilities. Blacks are better at jumping and short distance running, since their genes call for more twitch fibers of their calve muscles, along with a somewhat different calve shape.

As far as neighborhoods go.I have friends that live in a Beazer homes subdivision in the Cascades that is 90 percent black.The least expensive house there is $350,000.There are a few well over a $1.5 million.They deal with breakins just like the people in Buckhead do.Yet the home prices have stayed at the par or risen.(current market who knows?)In fact there has been an increase in white affluent resident moving to the South Side(Camp Creek,Cascades,College Park).

The Cascade Road area west of I-285 is the most affluent black area in metro Atlanta, there's no doubt about that. Home values are expensive, given their immense size. Still, I don't doubt that those home values would be even higher in Buckhead, the most affluent predominately white area in metro Atlanta.

I realize that there are break-ins in Buckhead, but the crime rate of Buckhead is not as high as it is in the Cascade Road area. This doesn't mean that people living in the large houses along Cascade Road are the ones committing the crimes. It means that the surrounding areas are very dangerous. Adamsville is very slummy, and so are areas on the other side of I-285, namely parts of East Point and West Atlanta. Since the proximity is so close, individuals living nearby have easy access to the Cascade homes.

I also do not doubt that the blacks living in the large homes of Cascade Road are among the most intelligent of blacks, on average. Hence, they've worked to make something of themselves, and it shows. The issue, though, is that most blacks are not of as high intelligence as those of Cascade Road, and it shows itself in the majority of black majority areas that are filled with failing schools, unkempt areas, and a general low level of civility (poor culture (thug life) and high crime).

There aren't very many white people moving to the Cascade area, or even Camp Creek Parkway for that matter. You won't find a significant white population along Camp Creek Parkway until you hit the Douglas County line and it becomes Thornton Road, and even then, the white population is falling like a rock in Lithia Springs.

You won't find many white people as a percentage living in and around the South Fulton Parkway area until you get out to Chatthoochee Hills, and even then, the place is mostly rural, so there isn't many people to begin with.

The white urban pioneer phenomena into East Point and College Park has slacked off as a result of the economy.

You brig up all these black run countries and cities yet you seem to ignore that history of exploitation and interference by European countries has greatly affected the outcome of what has transpired in the African Diaspora.

You seem to not figure that these black-run countries have always been impoverished places, and that no matter where blacks live on the planet, by and large, the overwhelming majority of these places are high crime, garbage-filled, low quality of life areas. You also don't seem to figure that there are countries that have been independent, such as Ethiopia and Liberia, and they're just as worse off as any other place, or worse. You don't seem to figure that the black majority in Haiti killed off the white French population, and ever since that time, the country has not recovered. You don't seem to figure that all these countries have been black-run for a minimum of nearly sixty years, and many nearly a hundred years or more. It doesn't make a difference. Wherever the place is black-run, it generally has a lower quality of life. I mean, Detroit was never under European colonization, and no one uses that argument for New Orleans being a dung heap.

Never in the same ways.Before their was a Egypt their was Nubia.The Black Pharoahs ruled and innovated many of once was credited with Egypt.Those ideas that were subjugated for the Greeks after they conquered Egypt.Their were many great emppire in Africa.Such as the Great Zimbabwe,where Cecil Rhodes claimed that no "Blacks or Africans could have created such massive and intricate kingdom.Black Pharaohs - National Geographic Magazine

There were not many great African empires. There were no great black African empires. Egypt was not black, and it still is not black. The Ancient Egyptians were European in features, and statues prove this. Black slaves from the south were used to help build, but they never ruled nor government ancient Egypt, nor were they the brains of what Ancient Egypt was.

Furthermore, yes, you can see some statues of black Egyptians, or mixed-raced Egyptians, but, as I stated, blacks were the minority, and they were used as workers. Over the years, interracial mixing occurred, and you can see it in the statues. Earlier statues were of clear European/Caucasian features. Some argue that the mixed-race nature was a contributing, but not sole factor for the fall of Ancient Egypt.

If you're going to get into the Egyptian thing, I can post tons of verifiable websites that disprove the black Egyptian myth.

As far as immigrants moving here.They must have some type of support system.No matter how intelligent and resourceful one is,it still will not replace having some type of support.

Since many of our "immigrants" are truly not immigrants, yet are called immigrants by our precious anti-white media, and are instead invaders, it's fair to say that not all need a support system.

I'm all for ending immigration, as it is pointless at this point in time, and the quality of immigrants we are receiving is very low.

African and Carribean make the highest grades,acheivement than Native blacks.Why?Many reasons.But all blacks are not the same.

The blacks who are coming from Africa and other places are generally the higher-IQ'd, and those of higher motivation within their respective locales.

Black Americans have a higher IQ as a whole to pure blacks in Sub-Saharan Africa, but when you're taking all black Americans as a whole, to a small minority of African blacks, most of whom are the highest achievers, of course black Americans will not perform as well.

Africans fought among other African as did Europeans did the same.The difference is that fought within their Continent of origin.They conquered each other which made it easier for the Europeans to come and take control of their destiny.Was not even about race in those days.It was about power and greed.Blacks were selling each other from different tribes,accepting the money from the Europeans to build their Kingdoms,not realizing that they were only building a bigger enemy from a far.

Europeans weren't the enemy. In fact, colonization helped build up the infrastructure and improve the quality of life fro Africans. I'm glad you admitted that blacks were fighting other blacks. They also sold their own people into slavery, as slavery was a world-wide phenomenon since the beginning of time.

What destiny are you referring to? Why is it black-run countries from the onset, such as Liberia, are in no better condition than those countries under colonial rule? Why is it that Haiti, who killed off their white population, is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere, and Jamaica isn't far behind, and they're the only black nations on this side of the planet?

[City Fanatic]

As far as why you see negative aspects of a multicural society (in the U.S.).You cannot have negative things like high crime,poor infrastructure and other bad things without having to had participate in negative behavior at the onset of your beginnings.I.E.:slavery,jim crow,Tuskegee Experiment,denial of patents to black inventors,denying loans,housing etc...All these things that are done to uplift the one segment of the society will have negative impact of the community as a whole.Eventually bringing down the whole society.There will be NO WHERE else to move to.Positive change would have to be forced and dealt with or else we all die.

No one is denying that blacks weren't mistreated at one point in their history, just as all groups have experienced mistreatment from another group at some point in their history.

However, as American society becomes more diverse, it's starting to implode. Under a relatively homogeneous white society, civilization flourished (for the majority of the population). Some would argue that to lift up the groups on the lower end of the spectrum, civilization ultimately falters, as it lowers its level of culture, the arts, the economic situation, and denies innovation (affirmative action).

[WestbankNOLA]

Originally Posted by City Fanatic

However, as American society becomes more diverse, it's starting to implode. Under a relatively homogeneous white society, civilization flourished (for the majority of the population).

Wow, so do you honestly believe that if the United States pop. was 100% white that the country wouldn't be in the condition it's in today?

[City Fanatic]

Originally Posted by WestbankNOLA

Wow, so do you honestly believe that if the United States pop. was 100% white that the country wouldn't be in the condition it's in today?

I believe that it would be in a better state.

You'd have:

Less Crime
More Unity
Better-kempt neighborhoods
Less political correctness
Better Schools
More Innovation (no Affirmative Action to stifle innovation)
Housing Meltdown less pronounced (After all, it was opening up the lending options, to allow those typically not able to afford a home, that caused lending to explode, housing to skyrocket, and defaults to occur. The economic situation would be better, though the U.S. has been on a trajectory of death for many, many years, given the lack of a sound, backed currency, big government, a lack of adherence to the Constitution, and "Free Trade".

[WestbankNOLA]

Originally Posted by City Fanatic

To be ignorant to reality is to not be an educated individual, in my opinion.

To base reality on what you've been taught, told, or read instead of first hand experience is ignorant in itself.

Blacks are of average lower intelligence. This has been documented for decades. I don't know why to state such a fact is wrong. I've pointed out that there is a range in IQ amongst all people.

You always claim facts, numbers, etc. An average number means nothing. The only way an IQ test could even be accurate is if the entire world population was homogenous and exposed to the same beliefs and cultures. Simply because there are so many types of people, everything will carry some type of bias.

Statistics lie.

We are all God's Children, and to God, we are all equal as a child of God. We all have a soul, designed to be filled with God's spirit. That doesn't mean that all of us are equal in abilities. Blacks are better at jumping and short distance running, since their genes call for more twitch fibers of their calve muscles, along with a somewhat different calve shape.

it shows itself in the majority of black majority areas that are filled with failing schools, unkempt areas, and a general low level of civility (poor culture (thug life) and high crime).

This has everything to do with social structure and access and nothing to do with IQ or race. If you put white people in the same environment they give the same results.
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You seem to not figure that these black-run countries have always been impoverished places, and that no matter where blacks live on the planet, by and large, the overwhelming majority of these places are high crime, garbage-filled, low quality of life areas. You also don't seem to figure that there are countries that have been independent, such as Ethiopia and Liberia, and they're just as worse off as any other place, or worse. You don't seem to figure that the black majority in Haiti killed off the white French population, and ever since that time, the country has not recovered. You don't seem to figure that all these countries have been black-run for a minimum of nearly sixty years, and many nearly a hundred years or more. It doesn't make a difference. Wherever the place is black-run, it generally has a lower quality of life. I mean, Detroit was never under European colonization, and no one uses that argument for New Orleans being a dung heap.

New Orleans was a dung heap even under direct European rule. It was more prosperous under Spanish rule than French. Louisiana had a trend of declining under French and American rule, yet prospering while being in control of the Spanish/Crillo/Creole.

You over look the fact that the world functions on a "What can I get?" "How can I get it?" "Who can I get it from?" basis. Sadly, human survival depends on who you know and what they can do for you, not what you know. Whites currently have the dominant influence on society so it's easier for white run places to have advantages and more access to resources. Those in control are more likely to know the "right" person to get things done. Just take a look at any city that goes from majorirty White govt to black govt and back again. Most of the time it's the connections that the people in charge have that keeps everything moving.

There were not many great African empires. There were no great black African empires. Egypt was not black, and it still is not black. The Ancient Egyptians were European in features, and statues prove this. Black slaves from the south were used to help build, but they never ruled nor government ancient Egypt, nor were they the brains of what Ancient Egypt was.

Furthermore, yes, you can see some statues of black Egyptians, or mixed-raced Egyptians, but, as I stated, blacks were the minority, and they were used as workers. Over the years, interracial mixing occurred, and you can see it in the statues. Earlier statues were of clear European/Caucasian features. Some argue that the mixed-race nature was a contributing, but not sole factor for the fall of Ancient Egypt. If you're going to get into the Egyptian thing, I can post tons of verifiable websites that disprove the black Egyptian myth.

For every website that disproves the black Egyptian myth, there is one that proves it. Once again, an argument that will go nowhere. Also, where are these statues that show clear European/Caucasian features? The earlier Egyptian works and drawing are usually darker and more africanized than the later works.

Do a little K.mt/Kemet research.

Also, I guess the Mayans, etc. were fully European also.

The blacks who are coming from Africa and other places are generally the higher-IQ'd, and those of higher motivation within their respective locales.

Black Americans have a higher IQ as a whole to pure blacks in Sub-Saharan Africa, but when you're taking all black Americans as a whole, to a small minority of African blacks, most of whom are the highest achievers, of course black Americans will not perform as well.

Same could be applied to white people from different environments.

Europeans weren't the enemy. In fact, colonization helped build up the infrastructure and improve the quality of life fro Africans. I'm glad you admitted that blacks were fighting other blacks. They also sold their own people into slavery, as slavery was a world-wide phenomenon since the beginning of time.

Quality of life is subjective. Yes, compared to society's current standards the quality of like improved, but at the time people were happy the way they were and the only ones who truly benefited were the one's in control. Every society that was encountered had the option to either conform or try a futile resistance.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by City Fanatic

We all have our biases. However, I try to be as realistic as possible about the current state of affairs. To be ignorant to reality is to not be an educated individual, in my opinion.



Blacks are of average lower intelligence. This has been documented for decades. I don't know why to state such a fact is wrong. I've pointed out that there is a range in IQ amongst all people.

We are all God's Children, and to God, we are all equal as a child of God. We all have a soul, designed to be filled with God's spirit. That doesn't mean that all of us are equal in abilities. Blacks are better at jumping and short distance running, since their genes call for more twitch fibers of their calve muscles, along with a somewhat different calve shape.
Ethiopian and Kenyans can run in long distance marathons.West Africans generally do not.The body structures are different.



The Cascade Road area west of I-285 is the most affluent black area in metro Atlanta, there's no doubt about that. Home values are expensive, given their immense size. Still, I don't doubt that those home values would be even higher in Buckhead, the most affluent predominately white area in metro Atlanta.

I realize that there are break-ins in Buckhead, but the crime rate of Buckhead is not as high as it is in the Cascade Road area. This doesn't mean that people living in the large houses along Cascade Road are the ones committing the crimes. It means that the surrounding areas are very dangerous. Adamsville is very slummy, and so are areas on the other side of I-285, namely parts of East Point and West Atlanta. Since the proximity is so close, individuals living nearby have easy access to the Cascade homes.TRUE

I also do not doubt that the blacks living in the large homes of Cascade Road are among the most intelligent of blacks, on average. Hence, they've worked to make something of themselves, and it shows. The issue, though, is that most blacks are not of as high intelligence as those of Cascade Road, and it shows itself in the majority of black majority areas that are filled with failing schools, unkempt areas, and a general low level of civility (poor culture (thug life) and high crime).Does that mean that redneck culture is apart of white culture?

There aren't very many white people moving to the Cascade area, or even Camp Creek Parkway for that matter. You won't find a significant white population along Camp Creek Parkway until you hit the Douglas County line and it becomes Thornton Road, and even then, the white population is falling like a rock in Lithia Springs.Not a floddgate but more than in the past.

You won't find many white people as a percentage living in and around the South Fulton Parkway area until you get out to Chatthoochee Hills, and even then, the place is mostly rural, so there isn't many people to begin with.

The white urban pioneer phenomena into East Point and College Park has slacked off as a result of the economy.



You seem to not figure that these black-run countries have always been impoverished places, and that no matter where blacks live on the planet, by and large, the overwhelming majority of these places are high crime, garbage-filled, low quality of life areas. You also don't seem to figure that there are countries that have been independent, such as Ethiopia and Liberia, and they're just as worse off as any other place, or worse. You don't seem to figure that the black majority in Haiti killed off the white French population, and ever since that time, the country has not recovered. You don't seem to figure that all these countries have been black-run for a minimum of nearly sixty years, and many nearly a hundred years or more. It doesn't make a difference. Wherever the place is black-run, it generally has a lower quality of life. I mean, Detroit was never under European colonization, and no one uses that argument for New Orleans being a dung heap.No they were not always impoverished places.One thing they do have in common in most cases is that the European involvement was there disrupting the natural balance of those societies.Nigeria,Ethiopia,Kenya,etc.are all constructs of an European idea that forced tribes and kingdoms together by trying to make it easier for them to deal with.Ethiopia was almost conquered by the Italians,Liberia was created by the U.S. Government to send black former slaves and live.Many of those freed slaves did not even come from the tribes or areas in Liberia.New Orleans has a LONG history of coruption.Well before blacks came to power.Detroit like most places in the u.S.experienced a flight of its tax base(white people) into the suburbs.At a time when blacks did not even have many rights under the law or were just getting them.What city or country can survive with its major tax base leaving and the only people left are poor,uneducated,citizens?Ones that JUST got the right to vote only a few years prior?The right to a decent education?



There were not many great African empires. There were no great black African empires. Egypt was not black, and it still is not black.Never said it was. The Ancient Egyptians were European in features, and statues prove this. Black slaves from theThe south were used to help build, but they never ruled nor government ancient Egypt, nor were they the brains of what Ancient Egypt was.LIES,not true at all.All were not slaves.They also were not all black slaves.You can read the National Georgrapic article I posted.

Furthermore, yes, you can see some statues of black Egyptians, or mixed-raced Egyptians, but, as I stated, blacks were the minority, and they were used as workers. Over the years, interracial mixing occurred, and you can see it in the statues. Earlier statues were of clear European/Caucasian features. Some argue that the mixed-race nature was a contributing, but not sole factor for the fall of Ancient Egypt.

If you're going to get into the Egyptian thing, I can post tons of verifiable websites that disprove the black Egyptian myth.

Most of the new research today is without the blatant racist research.They deal with more so "just the facts".Things where scientist did not give much thought to having preconceived prejudicial thoughts that clouded there judgment.As far as African great empires,well I say you are just ignorant if you say there were not many.



Since many of our "immigrants" are truly not immigrants, yet are called immigrants by our precious anti-white media, and are instead invaders, it's fair to say that not all need a support system.

I'm all for ending immigration, as it is pointless at this point in time, and the quality of immigrants we are receiving is very low.



The blacks who are coming from Africa and other places are generally the higher-IQ'd, and those of higher motivation within their respective locales.

Black Americans have a higher IQ as a whole to pure blacks in Sub-Saharan Africa, but when you're taking all black Americans as a whole, to a small minority of African blacks, most of whom are the highest achievers, of course black Americans will not perform as well.



Europeans weren't the enemy. In fact, colonization helped build up the infrastructure and improve the quality of life from Africans. I'm glad you admitted that blacks were fighting other blacks. They also sold their own people into slavery, as slavery was a world-wide phenomenon since the beginning of time.Improved quality of life?You mean after they plundered and left?Every culture fight each other Koreans and Chinese,French and English,etc..

What destiny are you referring to? Why is it black-run countries from the onset, such as Liberia, are in no better condition than those countries under colonial rule? Why is it that Haiti, who killed off their white population, is the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere, and Jamaica isn't far behind, and they're the only black nations on this side of the planet?

Haiti was NOT a black country.Not even founded by blacks.The Indians that died off lived there.The Carribs I think.And no, they are not the only black country on his side of the Hemisphere.

[WestbankNOLA]

Originally Posted by City Fanatic

I believe that it would be in a better state.

You'd have:

Less Crime
More Unity
Better-kempt neighborhoods
Less political correctness
Better Schools
More Innovation (no Affirmative Action to stifle innovation)
Housing Meltdown less pronounced (After all, it was opening up the lending options, to allow those typically not able to afford a home, that caused lending to explode, housing to skyrocket, and defaults to occur. The economic situation would be better, though the U.S. has been on a trajectory of death for many, many years, given the lack of a sound, backed currency, big government, a lack of adherence to the Constitution, and "Free Trade".

But you see all of those issues above are tied more so to social status and not race.
It's human nature to categorize anything different, to want more, etc. No matter what color people are, they will all have the same downfalls.
Removing all of the other races only makes it easier for remaining race to break up and categorize each other.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by City Fanatic

I believe that it would be in a better state.

You'd have:

Less Crime
More Unity
Better-kempt neighborhoods
Less political correctness
Better Schools
More Innovation (no Affirmative Action to stifle innovation)
Housing Meltdown less pronounced (After all, it was opening up the lending options, to allow those typically not able to afford a home, that caused lending to explode, housing to skyrocket, and defaults to occur. The economic situation would be better, though the U.S. has been on a trajectory of death for many, many years, given the lack of a sound, backed currency, big government, a lack of adherence to the Constitution, and "Free Trade".

There would have been no America if the Native American had allowed the Europeans to just continue to die.

One other thing:What about those who have mixed ancestry?What data you got for them?Where should they live?How smart are they?How much is too much dilution?

[DeaconJ]

Originally Posted by afonega1

There would have been no America if the Native American had allowed the Europeans to just continue to die.

One other thing:What about those who have mixed ancestry?What data you got for them?Where should they live?How smart are they?How much is too much dilution?

You really can't reason with someone of this intelligence level. He is only going to believe what his closed mind will allow him to believe - nothing more.

The thing that bothers me the most - and granted, I haven't taken the time to read most of his novelettes - is that he and I are the same color and he actually believes that we are the same because of that...simply not true whatsoever. I hope he, and everyone for that matter, realizes that matching skin color doesn't make us alike...and that most white people just don't agree with him.