Looking for majority white areas of the Metro (Atlanta, Sandy Springs: apartment complex, rental)

[luckysnap]

You should now know that when someone posts a request for information on a place that is tolerant of mixed couples, or is looking for diversity, or is progressive; there is a plethora of help and suggestions. However if you ask for mostly white, you get shotgunned with hate messages.
That's the way the progressive(tolerant) people address freedom of choice. Get used to it, the so called Liberals mean only their opinion is acceptable, any other desire is Racist.

[teasol]

Well said Coolyfet

(I thought I'd post, because I mostly read, but in case I do need to find out some info, I don't want to be labeled a troll )

[DeaconJ]

Originally Posted by GF72

Short answer: No. The only places near Atlanta that break the 90% white mark are the very outer areas, which I would not consider Atlanta. Forsyth County is 90% white, but only the very bottom edge could be considered suburban Atlanta, and even that part is still like 30 or 40 miles from downtown. So no, there are no places in Atlanta that have that many white people, unless you go want to go microscopic and pic out little individual neighborhoods. However, there are places in Atlanta that are "homogeneous" - large portions of south Atlanta and the immediate southern suburbs have 95% and higher black percentage. But that's the only place you'll find one race with such a large majority.

But Atlanta as a whole I would not really compare with North Carolina yet. Atlanta is more cosmopolitan and international. For reference, according to the Census Bureau, Clemmons, NC has a population of 13,827 (90% white) and and median family income $70,029. Looking at this statistics, it seems like a small, local population, hence the high white percentage. Whereas over here in Atlanta, Fulton County, GA has a population of 960,009 (48% white) and median family income $75,957. Cobb County, GA has a population of 679,325 (63% white) and median family income $73,280. Here the "desirable suburbs" are a different type of place because it's a different level city and there's that huge non-local population. Even if you go all the way down to zip code level you're not going to get that same small scale. Take for example, zip code 30022 (a typical "desirable suburb"), 25 miles from downtown Atlanta, with a population of 66,688 (75% white) and avg. household income $132,096. 15% of residents were not even born in the US - as you can see, suburban Atlanta is not really comparable; Atlanta is more of a world city.

I apologize in advance for being off-topic. I had to respond to this post with some correct information.

Absolutely incorrect about Clemmons and N.C. being mostly "local" populations...Clemmons has been a big magnet for Northeast transplants for a couple of decades - the main Catholic church in Clemmons has over 3,000 members. N.C. has been booming in population much as Georgia has, and a lot of the growth has been transplants from other regions, mainly the Northeast. The cities have seen most of the growth, of course - Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte, Durham, Winston-Salem...Clemmons and the other burbs I was talking about are considered part of W-S, much as Decatur is considered part of Atlanta. N.C. has also seen a huge increase in foreign born residents (so has Georgia), and most of them have settled in the cities above and their suburbs.

The population of Clemmons is 18,000 (2008 estimate)...it is growing very quickly, hence the "desirable suburb" label. 40 something % of residents have at least a Bachelor's Degree...and with the lower cost of living in the area than in Atlanta, median income of 70,000 makes it an upper middle class community. Forsyth County (N.C.) has a population of 340,000, so it isn't exactly out in the boonies. W-S and Clemmons are in Forsyth County.

Which suburb of Atlanta has average incomes of $132,000? I consider Roswell pretty far out at 19 miles, but the median household income is $73,000. I can't imagine what suburb with 66,000 people and that large median income...Irealize Atlanta is a large international city compared to Winston-Salem (population 235,000...metro 1.3 million), but smaller and medium-sized cities often have high end suburbs just like the big cities -Clemmons is one of those.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by luckysnap

You should now know that when someone posts a request for information on a place that is tolerant of mixed couples, or is looking for diversity, or is progressive; there is a plethora of help and suggestions. However if you ask for mostly white, you get shotgunned with hate messages.
That's the way the progressive(tolerant) people address freedom of choice. Get used to it, the so called Liberals mean only their opinion is acceptable, any other desire is Racist.

Go back and look through all the post on this thread.Show me where someone derided them for wanting to be in a place where they can be among other whites.Stop picking a fight where there is none.The argument was about the op suggestions that black, inner city ,and hip hop are all the correlated and responsible for uncivilized behavior.As if all blacks condone that behavior everywhere too.Stop your agenda and stop acting like you do not understand the outrage over what was said.

[Valerie-Lydie]

I don't know... I was told, as I was searching for a property, that areas like Cumming, Acworth had 90/95% white inhabitants...

perhaps even sandy springs, alpharetta, smyrna, but not sure, I am not from Atlanta.

[Merin]

Originally Posted by luckysnap

You should now know that when someone posts a request for information on a place that is tolerant of mixed couples, or is looking for diversity, or is progressive; there is a plethora of help and suggestions. However if you ask for mostly white, you get shotgunned with hate messages.
That's the way the progressive(tolerant) people address freedom of choice. Get used to it, the so called Liberals mean only their opinion is acceptable, any other desire is Racist.

I am an in a mixed marriage and have no issue with anyone wanting to live in a non-diverse place. I do have an issue with the stereotypes , expressed, in the original post. This is our point. Please don't act like this person is some sort of victim. In the post below, where the person is worried about whit people moving to the City of Atlanta, many of us ripped her a new one.

[gt6974a]

Originally Posted by Valerie-Lydie

I don't know... I was told, as I was searching for a property, that areas like Cumming, Acworth had 90/95% white inhabitants...

perhaps even sandy springs, alpharetta, smyrna, but not sure, I am not from Atlanta.

LOL, as an Acworth resident for 30 years, I can tell you it's not 90% White.

Yeah, about 20 years ago when I was in Middle School it was, but after '96 everybody and anybody moved in.

[GF72]

Originally Posted by DeaconJ

I apologize in advance for being off-topic. I had to respond to this post with some correct information.

Absolutely incorrect about Clemmons and N.C. being mostly "local" populations...Clemmons has been a big magnet for Northeast transplants for a couple of decades - the main Catholic church in Clemmons has over 3,000 members. N.C. has been booming in population much as Georgia has, and a lot of the growth has been transplants from other regions, mainly the Northeast. The cities have seen most of the growth, of course - Raleigh, Greensboro, Charlotte, Durham, Winston-Salem...Clemmons and the other burbs I was talking about are considered part of W-S, much as Decatur is considered part of Atlanta. N.C. has also seen a huge increase in foreign born residents (so has Georgia), and most of them have settled in the cities above and their suburbs.

The population of Clemmons is 18,000 (2008 estimate)...it is growing very quickly, hence the "desirable suburb" label. 40 something % of residents have at least a Bachelor's Degree...and with the lower cost of living in the area than in Atlanta, median income of 70,000 makes it an upper middle class community. Forsyth County (N.C.) has a population of 340,000, so it isn't exactly out in the boonies. W-S and Clemmons are in Forsyth County.

Which suburb of Atlanta has average incomes of $132,000? I consider Roswell pretty far out at 19 miles, but the median household income is $73,000. I can't imagine what suburb with 66,000 people and that large median income...Irealize Atlanta is a large international city compared to Winston-Salem (population 235,000...metro 1.3 million), but smaller and medium-sized cities often have high end suburbs just like the big cities -Clemmons is one of those.

I'm not an expert on NC, I was just looking at the Census numbers (which is why I used words like "seem") so I'll take your word for it.

About your second question, well the entire northern suburban area of Atlanta is actually very high-income. There's a difference between median income and average income. Roswell, according to the census bureau, has an average (mean) household income of $106,209 in a population of 88,465. The median income in wealthier areas tend to be skewed low because of the single population, so per capita income is the best indicator (per capita income for Roswell is $40,106, which is far higher than US average and about the same as San Francisco).

Johns Creek, GA has a population above 60,000 and average household income of $130,000+, to answer your question.

The thing with suburban Atlanta is that since much of the area is unincorporated, outside city limits, newly incorporated, etc. so most residents get "unreported" if you will. So you have to look at it by zip codes, that's the only boundary system that covers everything. For example, here are the zip codes from north metro Atlanta, along with population and average household income:

30004 57,435 $99,412 (Milton/Alpharetta)
30005 31,743 $128,363 (Alpharetta/Johns Creek)
30022 66,688 $132,096 (Johns Creek/Alpharetta)
30097 35,730 $136,896 (Johns Creek/Duluth)
30092 37,770 $108,132 (Berkeley Lake)
30024 56,128 $114,867 (Suwanee/South Forsyth)
30068 34,069 $130,339 (East Cobb)
30062 70,478 $98,881 (East Cobb)
30075 54,324 $115,088 (Roswell/East Cobb)
30076 46,602 $94,006 (Roswell)
30338 31,556 $127,169 (Dunwoody)
30350 37,280 $91,674 (Sandy Springs)
30328 30,045 $113,526 (Sandy Springs)
30327 26,250 $209,354 (Sandy Springs/Buckhead)
30342 30,528 $104,682 (Sandy Springs/Buckhead)
30305 25,583 $132,420 (Buckhead)
30319 41,320 $107,132 (Buckhead/Brookhaven)
30345 21,323 $96,895 (North Druid Hills)

This covers the whole, continuous, northern block in between I-75 and I-85 aka "the wealthy part" of metro Atlanta. The total population of this area is 734,852 and as you can see the area is extremely high income across the board (average household income for the US is $65,572). Clemmons zip code 27012 has population 23,856 and average household income $72,143 (median household income $72,946). The difference is looking at the map, Clemmons and Lewisville look like the two main suburbs of the area, which is what I meant by the smaller scale. Atlanta's wealthy area is bigger than most cities and still sustains an extremely high average income - the most comparable area in the country would be places like Fairfax County, VA and other huge suburban areas. The sheer scope is why you won't have anything like 90% white population like in Clemmons, which is what I was getting at with my previous post.

[DeaconJ]

I was totally referring to median income, not average...I see that I put average income at the end of my post, but I think you had also mentioned average income as well so it was in response to you. Average income, IMO, doesn't give an accurate view of the area...all it takes is a couple of astronomically large incomes to skew the number.

Clemmons, Lewisville, Bermuda Run, Mocksville, and other surrounding suburbs are the main ones on the southwest side of Winston-Salem...but that is only the southwest side. Kernersvile is really the largest suburb, to the east of Winston-Salem, and there are others scattered around every side of the city. But if you look at the entire metro Triad area, population 1.7 million, it's somewhat easier to make a comparison to Atlanta - not that I would want to do that because Atlanta's is a step or two up the ladder. But it's comparable to Charlotte and its suburbs, so the scope of Atlanta isn't that far above the scope of Winston-Salem. That's why I don't quite understand the high percentages of white residents in the southwest suburbs - and I don't truly think it's the scope is enough of a difference.

[GF72]

You're right in that average income can be skewed high by wealthy families, but that's only true in "normal" American suburbs like Clemmons where the majority of the population are families. Clemmons average and median incomes are practically the same. Atlanta suburbs are different because there are far more singles and non-family households living in the suburbs. For example take the suburb of Sandy Springs. Population 97,898 and the median household income is $69,492 but the average household income is $116,406. This is because the population is exactly 50:50 families to nonfamilies. So it's not a fair representation to show just the median income, because then it seems like an average suburb, when it's actually an extremely wealthy city, with 16.3% of households having household income over $200,000, which is more than every single city in America that has population over 100,000. So that's why you really have to look at the per capita income, which is $53,790. That's over double the US average, and higher than every city in the US with population over 100,000.

The high percentage of white residents in the southwest suburbs of Winston-Salem might just be because those are the nicest areas and other races just haven't move in yet because the city as a whole is not there yet on a cosmopolitan level. The triad area you say has a population of 1.7 million, which is a lot of people and sure, it's not all a local population. But in Atlanta, it's like the floodgates are open and people are just pouring in. Check out this article from last year. Between 2000 and 2007, a pretty small time frame, Atlanta gained almost 1 million people. That's an entire city's worth of people, and out of those 1 million people, surely there were many of them that were in the wealth bracket that would allow them to move to the majority white northern suburbs, which is why those areas are getting less and less white (but richer and richer, since it's "the place to be"). Take for example, the city of Johns Creek. If you look at my list, every Johns Creek zip code has average income around 130,000. Celebrities like Whitney Houston and Usher live in the city. Shake Rag Elementary School, right in the middle of the city, has a 41% Asian student population. And this is a suburb 25 miles outside the city. Back in 1990 it was a typical little white suburb like Clemmons. So that's the kind of growth it takes for the nicest areas of a city to become cosmopolitan - I don't think Winston-Salem is popular enough among transplants for those southwestern suburbs to change on such a scale.