Revival of old thread on Atlanta and ghetto suburbs, anyone?

[blondandfun]

Originally Posted by WilliamM

Ooh, you don't want to go there, Blond. You've just upset a beehive and violated one of my very biggest pet peeves. Without words my friend you have no issues, by which I mean no ability to talk about them. Without them, there's no discourse, and without discourse, no issues. It's like a big circle, see?

Ever listen to NPR, Blond? Occasionally they rebroadcast shows from the BBC that are about words and words only (not all of them are British made, just some of the more clever ones). Why do you suppose they do that? Make such a big to-do about language as such, I mean, these well-heeled upper-class Oxford and Cambridge types in Britain making such a big fuss about language? Huh? Why do you think?

I understand what you are saying, you want a more clear picture of whatever I say/theorize. This degrades you a tad bit in my opinion, with all due respect, because it leads me to question whether you aren't capable of an answer, or want to contribute by nitpicking words.

When I said ALT was a "failed city" and that brought uproars, that wasn't the issue. The issue was that there were problems with the city, it was failed, had failed, or was failing...

"Atlanta is a failed city"... couldn't that phrase have meant the city has failed in the past(of course that's impossible the city isn't alive)?

"Atlanta is a failed city".. couldn't the same phrase also mean that the city is permanently fallen.

"Atlanta is a failed city" .. couldn't that also mean that the physical entity of the "city" has been "failed" by it's leaders?

Atlanta is unique, but whether or not it's "failed" doesn't matter, the real issue was the negative things I said about the city, such as The Underground. Obviously I'm not happy with it, and I would judge based on a simple google search that others aren't either... You could call it "failed", "failing", "crappy", "dumpy" whatever you want.

If I revised it to say Underground is "dumpy" this same guy would come on a say "statistically nobody has dumped trash, everything is wonderful".. that's a BS response and you know it to give me statistics about something that I and A LOT of people don't like just so you can disprove what YOU think "failed" means instead of listening to what everyone says, including yourself

[DeaconJ]

Originally Posted by blondandfun

If I revised it to say Underground is "dumpy" this same guy would come on a say "statistically nobody has dumped trash, everything is wonderful".. that's a BS response and you know it to give me statistics about something that I and A LOT of people don't like just so you can disprove what YOU think "failed" means instead of listening to what everyone says, including yourself

"This guy" is not the problem here - we all recognize the problem. "This guy" is also not stupid and can read with comprehension.

How often do you get over to Underground to actually know the condition of the place? From your comments on it, I seriously doubt that you've been to Underground in a few years...and you're going by what you hear from other people. I've just realized the solution to this issue - place you on "ignore" and more on...you're a lost cause and I don't really care what you say or think. You seem to just be stirring controversy, and you're not going to stir anymore with me.

How about we all ignore this child?

[coolyfett]

Originally Posted by blondandfun

If I revised it to say Underground is "dumpy" this same guy would come on a say "statistically nobody has dumped trash, everything is wonderful".. that's a BS response and you know it to give me statistics about something that I and A LOT of people don't like just so you can disprove what YOU think "failed" means instead of listening to what everyone says, including yourself

Ha ha ha ha ha Classic!!

Nobody has dumped trash? Everything is wonderful

ROFLMAO!!!

Uncle Greg!!! Turn the cuss word edit feature off PLEASE Uncle Greg!

[DeaconJ]

Originally Posted by coolyfett

ExactlY! I totally agree. Take the people with no options and put them in a place with no options what do you have? A crime zone that doesn't effect downtown anymore, a place where if you don't have a car you are stuck, no access to the arts, culture, sports, nothing. Nowhere to go, nothing to do. We know what that leads to.

C-TRAN connects to Marta doesn't it? So there is public transportation...if you're talking about Clayton County, that is.

I'm not so sure that criminals can't afford to own a car...or at least steal one. They aren't very good at crime if not.

[coolyfett]

I feel ya DJ.

[diva05]

Originally Posted by blondandfun

I was pointing out the tens of thousands of people north of North Avenue who are weary of traveling south of North Ave and go somewhere, say downtown. That's the issue that is of concern to me and it should be to everyone else as well. The issue that matters is not the definition of public housing or private housing, a slum is a slum, and you can redevelop any piece of property... It's not very difficult to buy the owner out.

People living in North Atlanta being afraid to travel south is as old as Georgia clay. Ponce de Leon has been one of the "dixie land" streets of Atlanta for decades. North was (and is) the more affluent white side - south the black side (but not always poor). That's why all the street names change as you move across intown streets. Briarcliff turns to Moreland, Monroe turns to Boulevard, etc. I once had a conversation with an older black co-worker at my school who explained that as a younger man growing up in Atlanta in the 60's there were some places he could not travel without threatening his life. Ponce was one of those lines, he said "they were told not cross Ponce after dark." At that time many of the segregated black neighborhoods near the town were affluent including Auburn. In the 60's the middle class blacks moved to the white neighborhoods, leaving the poor ones behind, and the neighborhoods decayed . . . you know the rest of the story.

However, in the last decade gentrification has reversed this trend (hense the earlier sited articles). The places south of Ponce where whites and black didn't cross are now blurred. Old Fourth Ward, Edgewood, and other areas are becoming affluently white. Those "might as well be projects" on Boulevard are the last remnants in that area. The owners will hold out, but soon they will give in. So, back to the section I quoted, you will be less concerned with travelling further south to the more seedy side of the city once the poor people are booted out. My question to you, blonandfun, then comes back to the original thread of this post. Where do you think these poor people are going?

[shisha7]

Uh yeah its called urban renewal.