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Old 12-17-2008, 10:33 AM
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I have just two words for you: UNDERGROUND ATLANTA
Don't you think I thought of that? I think with any failure it's best to wipe it off and try again. I know it's hard, and I actually thought the caberet in underground a few years ago was cool and it attracted more than tourists.

The city has really screwed up an opportunity to put downtown in order and bring the bars/clubs in.

I was harsh to call Atlanta a failed city.. I'd say it's just failing in certain areas.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:46 AM
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Downtown has gained at LEAST a dozen new nightspots/restaurants in the past year alone.

You continue to blather on while contributing nothing constructive and contradicting yourself with almost every sentence. What is your real agenda here?
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:49 AM
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I don't agree with your chosen words or blatant disgust with ATL, but I do laugh at how much people consider Atlanta some huge city. Actually, I truly laughed the first time I drove through Atlanta, as I was in and out in no time, and there were houses in the middle of the city, and supermarkets, Targets, etc. To me Atlanta is a suburb with tall office buildings and crazy traffic. The "ghetto" is a joke that the dwellers are so proud to be a part of, but yet is safer than any suburb of any other city. Little 5 Points is simply where crack and weed meet to die, dressed as a quaint hippie town gone low class. The traffic is ridiculous because the city is so small that no one can actually live in it. But the schools are good, parents care enough to try to keep the neighborhoods clean and safe, the aesthetic appeal of Atlanta is high - lots of trees and care given to landscaping. The museums are tiny, but they try, which is better than nothing. Stuff is very small in Atlanta, but the residents do everything possible to improve on what they have. Look at the Fox - tiny but BEAUTIFUL.
Ok...I'm not going to try and figure out why you think Atlanta is "small". The city limits cover an area of 132 square miles, which is about average I guess, but certainly not a small space. Physical size isn't really something that cities are after, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with that.

I'm glad you think the city is safer than the suburbs of other cities. That's the first time I've ever run across anyone trying to put down a city by calling it safe.

The Fox Theater...small? Again, that doesn't make sense at all. The Fox seats 4,700, and is a nationally known venue that attracts major shows and entertainers. The building is a unique design that is on the National Register of Historic Places. I'm thinking you've never been to the Fox because it's difficult not to be impressed upon seeing the interior for the first time.

Some similar venues in other cities:

Carnegie Hall...2,800
Chicago Theater...3,600
Radio City Music Hall...5,900
Kennedy Center...2,500/2,300
Disney Concert Hall...2,300
Shrine Auditorium...6,300
Boston Symphony Hall...2,400
Atlanta Civic Center...4,600
Ryman Auditorium...2,400

These venues are intimate but they are meant to be that way...higher quality, smaller crowds. There are plenty of large arenas like Philips Arena, Gwinnett Arena, Coco-Cola Amphitheater, the Georgia Dome, etc. So...in conclusion...the Fox is not in any way "tiny" - but it was never meant to be a large venue.
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:57 AM
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^And I'm sorry but this bit - "and there were houses in the middle of the city, and supermarkets, Targets, etc" makes no sense at all!

I have seen houses, supermarkets, Targets in the middle of cities far, far larger than Atlanta.

Has some super-strong Christmas weed hit town or something?
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:58 AM
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Downtown has gained at LEAST a dozen new nightspots/restaurants in the past year alone.

You continue to blather on while contributing nothing constructive and contradicting yourself with almost every sentence. What is your real agenda here?
Not everyone feels they need to go online and pull up statistics like a lot of you.

I wish you people would stop validating my original post regarding people defending Atlanta, with statistics.

I don't need statistics to know when something sucks.

Are you working for the Chamber of Commerce or something?
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:06 AM
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No, but I think I would love doing so.

You claim over and over that somehow the city has "collectively" decided that downtown is a lost cause, it sucks, nothing going on to attract people, etc. We continue to use facts to challenge your idiotic claims, yet you still continue blathering garbage like "it still sucks." It would appear that you are outnumbered in your opinion.
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:14 AM
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No, but I think I would love doing so.

You claim over and over that somehow the city has "collectively" decided that downtown is a lost cause, it sucks, nothing going on to attract people, etc. We continue to use facts to challenge your idiotic claims, yet you still continue blathering garbage like "it still sucks." It would appear that you are outnumbered in your opinion.
So you think Underground Atlanta is successful? You're out of touch with reality. I wasn't blathering, re-read my post. Underground FAILED for the 3rd or 4th time just a few years ago, how is that an idiotic claim?

That's a fact, Charlie Brown's Caberet even failed, because of the sad condition of the area, and the unwillingness for any of the 5 MILLION area residents to make the trip.
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Don't you think I thought of that? I think with any failure it's best to wipe it off and try again. I know it's hard, and I actually thought the caberet in underground a few years ago was cool and it attracted more than tourists.

The city has really screwed up an opportunity to put downtown in order and bring the bars/clubs in.

I was harsh to call Atlanta a failed city.. I'd say it's just failing in certain areas.
Could I maybe whittle down your real defintion of failure to the city leaders and the police and their inability to keep undesirables off of the streets downtown?
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I still can't figure out what the OP actually want or what gender it actually is. The thing is confusing.
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:20 AM
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Could I maybe whittle down your real defintion of failure to the city leaders and the police and their inability to keep undesirables off of the streets downtown?
The problem is the churches and people keep hanging out money everyday to them, I've thought about starting a campaign against that and hold a protest.
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