08-15-2008, 06:17 PM
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Is it just me or does it seem like states like FL and NC have several big metro areas but GA mainly just has 1 big metro area. In NC there are 3 metro areas I can think of with over 1 mill people ( Charlotte, Raleigh, Greensboro/Winston Salem). FL has several large metro areas ( Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville). I dont think Augusta, Savannah, Macon, or Columbus have metro areas of over 1 million. It seems like you always hear about most jobs going to the Atlanta metro area, while in other states like NC and FL the jobs are more spread out over the whole state.
08-15-2008, 07:16 PM
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This may provide some insight>>>
History of Atlanta (http://sos.georgia.gov/tours/html/atlanta_history.html - broken link)
Georgia was primarily dependent on agriculture and later manufacturing/textiles. Goods were shipped to Atlanta to go N, E, S and W. 'Commerce' --that was the reason for being.
There are probably many more reasons. Those in the Georgia forum might have some thoughts on this.
08-15-2008, 07:56 PM
Location: Triangle, North Carolina
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One reason is due to interstate construction. If you notice, unlike NC and FL for example, every highway system in Georgia leads to what center? Atlanta.
On an economic end you will need to re-arrange your question to Why is Atlanta so dependent on Georgia considering the majority of the state tax bite is shipped to Atlanta on an annual basis to constantly bail out the fiscal mismanagement of the city. With quarter billion dollar deficits, half billion in missingTAD funds, and government dependency programs, it's hard to send capital to other areas of the state for growth. If so, you would find boom towns in the Savannah and Columbus areas. This you will probably find as the norm opinion in the Georgia vs. Atlanta thread
08-15-2008, 08:05 PM
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One reason is due to interstate construction. If you notice, unlike NC and FL for example, every highway system in Georgia leads to what center? Atlanta.
On an economic end you will need to re-arrange your question to Why is Atlanta so dependent on Georgia considering the majority of the state tax bite is shipped to Atlanta on an annual basis to constantly bail out the fiscal mismanagement of the city. With quarter billion dollar deficits, half billion in missingTAD funds, and government dependency programs, it's hard to send capital to other areas of the state for growth. If so, you would find boom towns in the Savannah and Columbus areas. This you will probably find as the norm opinion in the Georgia vs. Atlanta thread
I think there should be an interstate going from Columbus to Macon to Augusta. I mean, there basically is no easy way to get from Columbus to Macon or Macon to Augusta.
08-15-2008, 09:33 PM
Location: West Cobb County, GA (Atlanta metro)
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Actually, President Clinton was in the final planning stages for a "secondary" Interstate system that would fill in the blanks where there are none now, before the um, "controversy" and witchhunt began in his term, so that idea was shelved - actually, along with a national lottery which was in the planning stages too if memory serves.
My home town is in Charleston, West Virginia. I drive hours longer than I could, if only there were an interstate that connected Atlanta to Knoxville in a straight line, and Knoxville to Charleston. But the "curve" route that I have to take adds about 2.5 to 3 hours to the trip. There are plenty of other city-to-city trips that would be greatly reduced if they did a secondary system of roads (and yes, bringing back the rail system would help, too).
Other states that also have one major city that serve as their economic engine would be Indiana (Indianapolis), Maryland (Baltimore), Nebraska (Omaha), Oklahoma (Tulsa), etc. Georgia is not unique to have one major city that fuels a lot of the state's income (though certainly not all of it). Savannah was supposed to be the big city in Georgia and was planned from the get-go to be such by the founders. It just never happened when rail overtook the shipping industry, causing Atlanta ("Terminus") to take over.
08-15-2008, 09:41 PM
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Actually, President Clinton was in the final planning stages for a "secondary" Interstate system that would fill in the blanks where there are none now, before the um, "controversy" and witchhunt began in his term, so that idea was shelved - actually, along with a national lottery which was in the planning stages too if memory serves.
My home town is in Charleston, West Virginia. I drive hours longer than I could, if only there were an interstate that connected Atlanta to Knoxville in a straight line, and Knoxville to Charleston. But the "curve" route that I have to take adds about 2.5 to 3 hours to the trip. There are plenty of other city-to-city trips that would be greatly reduced if they did a secondary system of roads (and yes, bringing back the rail system would help, too).
Other states that also have one major city that serve as their economic engine would be Indiana (Indianapolis), Maryland (Baltimore), Nebraska (Omaha), Oklahoma (Tulsa), etc. Georgia is not unique to have one major city that fuels a lot of the state's income (though certainly not all of it). Savannah was supposed to be the big city in Georgia and was planned from the get-go to be such by the founders. It just never happened when rail overtook the shipping industry, causing Atlanta ("Terminus") to take over.
Yeah, you are right that there are several states in which there is 1 major city that serves as the main economic engine of that state. I was just comparing GA to surrounding states. I think you can say that out of the states surrounding in GA (FL, AL, TN, SC, NC), GA is more dependent on 1 city than any of these states. Out of all these states, I dont think there is 1 city or metro area that dominates their state the way Atlanta dominates GA.
08-16-2008, 08:22 AM
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Is it just me or does it seem like states like FL and NC have several big metro areas but GA mainly just has 1 big metro area. In NC there are 3 metro areas I can think of with over 1 mill people ( Charlotte, Raleigh, Greensboro/Winston Salem). FL has several large metro areas ( Miami, Tampa, Orlando, Jacksonville). I dont think Augusta, Savannah, Macon, or Columbus have metro areas of over 1 million. It seems like you always hear about most jobs going to the Atlanta metro area, while in other states like NC and FL the jobs are more spread out over the whole state.
I think there are a few reasons why smaller Georgia cities, as well as other cities in the South, dwarf Atlanta population-wise. Somewhere in the equation there's the issue of civil rights.
The birth of the civil rights movement took place in Atlanta. Martin Luther King was born here. Too many Georgia cities, and other cities in the South, are still locked in the 1950s.
Not that many years ago, Birmingham, Alabama and Atlanta were the same size. Why did Atlanta become a dynamic city and Birmingham less so? Civil rights is a factor. Black families viewed Atlanta as a much better place to live than Birmingham. There are other factors but civil rights is certainly one.
Growth in cities is dependent on jobs. I would guess North Carolina has more cities with larger populations due to a more diversified job base. There are a lot of textile industries in North Carolina, furniture, the Research Triangle with a large concentration of high-tech jobs, and Charlotte with a large concentration of insurance jobs.
Broadly speaking, I think many jobs in Georgia, outside of Atlanta, revolve around agriculture. Sure, there's always exceptions to the rule. The largest insurance company in America is based in Columbus, Georgia. That's somewhat unusual.
When you talk about demographics, it's pretty complicated.
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08-16-2008, 09:39 AM
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I dont think civil rights has anything to do with it. Its simpler than that:
If you take Atlanta out of Georgia, all you have is Mississippi. In other words, outside of Atlanta, Georgia is pretty poedunk (besides Savannah). The rest of those small cities suck in my opinion.
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08-16-2008, 10:26 AM
Location: Marietta, GA
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Is it just me or does it seem like states like FL and NC have several big metro areas but GA mainly just has 1 big metro area.
This same situation exists in many states, some much larger. Look at NY State. Other than NYC, there are only very small cities, similar in size to the other cities in GA. Buffalo has a larger metro area, but it's also 400 miles from NYC. In Illinois, you have Chicago, and what else, Springfield? In Michigan, you have Detroit, and just smaller cities like Ann Arbor. In Washington, you have Seattle, and small cities like Spokane. The list goes on.
As many have said, Atlanta is a junction of railroads, interstate highways, and it also is the point where the topographic boundaries meet, the highlands meet the plains, and the rivers pass. Given that it's also the state capital, much of the attention and investment historically was given to Atlanta. Beginning in the 1980's and building with the Olympics in 1996, Atlanta grew to be a center of business and the focus for business in Georgia. That attracted people to relocate, and when you combine that with the cultural attraction of blacks to Atlanta, it's grown much more than other parts of the state.
08-16-2008, 11:10 AM
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I dont think civil rights has anything to do with it. Its simpler than that:
If you take Atlanta out of Georgia, all you have is Mississippi. In other words, outside of Atlanta, Georgia is pretty poedunk and redneck (besides Savannah). The rest of those small cities suck in my opinion.
Well, I think you're ignoring factors you shouldn't be ignoring. The centerpiece of the question is about Atlanta and you seem to be subtracting, or dismissing, that important fact.
Where do African-Americans enter into the equation? We're talking about the South with large percentages of African-Americans. We're not talking about the North; we're talking about the South.
Many African-Americans have migrated to certain cities in the South, as well as the North, with less prejudice, more job opportunities, and higher salaries.
Atlanta is perceived as an island of tolerance and less prejudice in a sea of "perceived" intolerance. Rural Georgia
(mod cut) is generally not perceived as a bastian of progressive thinking and tolerance.
One CAN'T look at growth patterns in the South without looking at the African-American community, and civil rights pulls at the heart strings of every African-American, and rightly so.
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Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)