ATl people how do you really feel about Charlotte?? (Atlanta: ranked, companies)
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Basically any of Atlanta's core counties (Fulton, Cobb, gwinnett, DeKalb & Clayton) can each hold its own against Charlotte. Anything you can do in Charlotte you could do with any of these counties. Clayton maybe not as much but still four seperate counties can compete with one city on population, density, school system, amenities, recreation etc.........Charlotte is nothing but a sleepy bank town with city center thrown in the middle. You may not agree but more people do than dont
Putting clayton into the mix is a stretch. Gwinnett or Dekalb, or Cobb - given that each have 700,000 ++ populations
Putting clayton into the mix is a stretch. Gwinnett or Dekalb, or Cobb - given that each have 700,000 ++ populations
It's not a question of population for the core counties, but which counties are the traditional core of the Atlanta Metro area. I have always heard it to be those five counties (including Clayton), and Clayton's proximity to downtown further solidifies it to be included.
If it's Clayton's population were to be a factor, then it's much smaller area should be a factor as well. I would bet that Clayton is easily as dense and urban as Cobb or Gwinnett?
Poseidon...you need to check the season records for the Hawks - they have had MANY excellent seasons and have often won their division. Before you jump on the uninformed bandwagon toward disparaging the Hawks franchise, you should research it a little bit. I've heard too many times before about the Hawks' woes when it just isn't factual. No, they haven't been past the second round of the playoffs due to little things like Michael Jordan, the Boston Celtics, and other insurmountable odds...but they have had very respectable teams and very good seasons over the years, so there is no need to act otherwise.
*Sigh* Dude, you are missing the point. Newsboy said that the Panthers may be in danger of leaving Charlotte just because of a few recent lackluster seasons. I then said that the Panthers are in no more danger of leaving Charlotte because of that than the Hawks are/were due to the lackluster seasons they've had more recently, which is pretty much most of the seasons this decade. I'm not slamming the Hawks, and I'm not talking about the long-term history of the franchise. Read again what I said in context, and compare that with their record from the late 90's to about 2007 or so. Lately they've begun to turn things around in a significant way, but they did go through a pretty long slump. Yet I didn't hear any talk of them possibly leaving Atlanta because of that. THAT was my point. Don't be so overly sensitive.
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Originally Posted by mrdkb
Cobb County is huge. 700,000 ++ people. Lockheed is based there.
Gwinnett Coiunty is huge 800,00 people
GET IT?????
No, I don't "GET IT." Basically, you're looking for an argument where there is none since I personally haven't attempted to compare any of metro Atlanta's counties with any of metro Charlotte's and you have yet to present any statistics for the claim you made earlier. So basically you don't have a point, so you're just throwing any and everything out there to see what will stick. Sorry to say, that's pretty pitiful especially since I'm not even arguing that metro Charlotte is on metro Atlanta's level.
*Sigh* Dude, you are missing the point. Newsboy said that the Panthers may be in danger of leaving Charlotte just because of a few recent lackluster seasons. I then said that the Panthers are in no more danger of leaving Charlotte because of that than the Hawks are/were due to the lackluster seasons they've had more recently, which is pretty much most of the seasons this decade. I'm not slamming the Hawks, and I'm not talking about the long-term history of the franchise. Read again what I said in context, and compare that with their record from the late 90's to about 2007 or so. Lately they've begun to turn things around in a significant way, but they did go through a pretty long slump. Yet I didn't hear any talk of them possibly leaving Atlanta because of that. THAT was my point. Don't be so overly sensitive.
No, I don't "GET IT." Basically, you're looking for an argument where there is none since I personally haven't attempted to compare any of metro Atlanta's counties with any of metro Charlotte's and you have yet to present any statistics for the claim you made earlier. So basically you don't have a point, so you're just throwing any and everything out there to see what will stick. Sorry to say, that's pretty pitiful especially since I'm not even arguing that metro Charlotte is on metro Atlanta's level.
I didn't miss your point at all...but there is no need to talk down the Hawks just like there was no need to talk down the Panthers. One falsely disparaging remark doesn't deserve another. Neither team is rumored to be moving anywhere, so I'm not sure what your remark had to do with your point?
I probably should have also responded to the remark unattractive remark about the Panthers...I don't recall who made it, but shame on you too!
I didn't miss your point at all...but there is no need to talk down the Hawks just like there was no need to talk down the Panthers. One falsely disparaging remark doesn't deserve another. Neither team is rumored to be moving anywhere, so I'm not sure what your remark had to do with your point?
I probably should have also responded to the remark unattractive remark about the Panthers...I don't recall who made it, but shame on you too!
I didn't "talk down" the Hawks. For a several years in a row, they sucked--plain and simple. The truth is the truth, and I don't even have a problem saying about teams of which I am a lifelong fan if it's true. It's definitely true of my hometown Panthers right now. Maybe you consider that a diss or a falsely disparaging remark, but I don't.
Again, my point was in response to Newsboy's speculation that just because the Panthers suck right now, that doesn't mean they're leaving just like when the Hawks sucked, that didn't mean they were leaving. It's a rather simple point and not really hard to understand.
Well, the Hawks (nor the Trashers) are going anywhere because the company that owns both teams also owns the building in which they play -- Philips Arena. You don't evict yourself. The state owns the Georgia Dome, however, and that's an issue for Falcons' owner Arthur Blank, who wants a new open-air stadium.
Who owns the stadium/arena in Charlotte? Most sports franchises end up moving because of a dispute over facilities (Tampa Bay Rays) and NOT win-loss records. Or in the case of Jacksonville, there's just not a big enough fan base to support the team.
Just correcting you, Newsboy... Arthur Blank, not Bernie Marcus owns the Falcons team.
OOPS! Well of course I knew that. Different men, same fortune! I wonder if Charlotte has home grown billionaires who've done as much for that city as those two have done for Atlanta? (And don't you know the day after Bernie Marcus dies, they'll rename the aquarium after him? But BLANK Stadium ... uh, no.)
Putting clayton into the mix is a stretch. Gwinnett or Dekalb, or Cobb - given that each have 700,000 ++ populations
Clayton is a core county for one Hartsfield Jackson is located at it's northern end. I mean how can Clayton be not included it has the airport?
2nd
Clayton County is only 144 sq mi
DeKalb County is double the area with 271 sq mi
Gwinnett County is 3x the area 437 sq mi
Cobb County is a little more than double the area 345 sq mi
Atlanta the city itself is 132.4 sq mi Clayton as a county is barely bigger then Atlanta, then Atlanta even as a city is note for it's small size to make it more ironic. Clayton has 273,718 in 144 sq mi compared to Henry 201,343 in 324 sq mi. So if you compare Clayton to Cobb, Gwinnett and etc take account of the area difference. Clayton county is just as develop as those other counties except the area is smaller.
But check this out. By density Clayton is just as develop as Mecklenburg County.
Mecklenburg County NC 1,650/sq mi
Clayton County GA 1,658/sq mi
If you wanted to cut out a area that don’t belong I'm thinking South Fulton.
Well you can't just chop off one part of a county (S Fulton) because it's less developed than the northern half. That attitude just feeds into that whole Milton County seccession nonesense.
South Fulton has a lot going on -- Serenebe, Chattahoochee Hills, S. Fulton Pky, Cochran Mill Nature Preserve (800 acres centered on an old abanoned mill town ... GORGEOUS and kinda creepy!) and the land down there is beautiful -- looks like Kentucky horse country. With quick access to the airport, growth is inevitable but it is being planned for, which is good. Tons of open space will surround 3-4 dense villages if all goes as planned. Really cool hip stuff going on down there, just wait.
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