Can anything stop Henry from turning into another Clayton county? (Atlanta: section 8, crimes)

[suprascooby22]

Originally Posted by mrdkb

"Diversity" WILL NEVER work when it's just black and white. NEVER. Why - because of the history. Whites (not all) were foul and never atoned for their deeds.
Diversity only works when it includes women, gays, lesbians, asians, indians, hispanaics, blacks, whites, etc....

3 schools in Gwinnett County that come to mind fit this mold: Parkview, Norcross, and Peach Tree Ridge HS's. All are highly rated - and very diverse!!! In fact, I think that most of us view diversity through a narrow prism - i.e. Clayton County. The County was NEVER diverse. It was just White, than white-black, now black. Two is not diverse. Diversity = Variety, Multi. This is why New York Works. Multiply tribes, keep the whole honest. Two Tribes with a tragic past - NEVER!!!

I see your point but my problem isnt with different, races, religions, etc. attending the same schools or living in the same areas. I think everyone can agree that being exposed to different views, races and religions enrich everyone lives. My problem is with this notion that all "diversity" is a good thing and should be promoted. Last I checked we lived in a free country and people should be able to do as they choose. I think that all this politically correct nonsense is social engineering gone awry!

[Rockmama]

As a raw concept, the idea of diversity is not a bad thing. It means nothing but respecting and embracing people for their differences. Unfortunately, diversity programs come from the top... politicians who attach it to their platform so they can widen their fan base. Without an extensive and labor-intensive change management process to go with this wonderful concept, we're still left with people who will never ever ever go through the personal change process required to get along with people who are different than themselves. This is true for every single socioeconomic group, every ethnicity, every sex, every religion.

People are taught very early to be incredibly egocentric... MY WAY IS BEST. We can make generalizations all we want, and say that poor people are ALL rude and ignorant. Or that rich people are ALL rude and ignorant. We all know this is not true.

Everyone has a right to live and work where they want to. They also have a responsibility to act respectfully. Suprascooby has a right to hope that his children are getting an education without the distraction of violence around them or other children who are taking valuable time from the teachers who have to discipline them. It's also incredibly harmful (and I'm not saying Scooby does this) when "advantaged" children act like closed-minded little snobs who think they're better than everyone else because they're white male protestants. (Boy could I tell you stories about people like this in my OWN extended family who have decided that my lifestyle is WRONG because it's not conservative and holy.)

None of us have any answers, do we? It's a massive problem for our country. It's a massive problem for all human beings on this planet. There are a LOT of people to convice that they should change their own behaviors. It's hard to look inward and it's super easy to blame others. It sucks, cause it will never get fixed.

[DuchessOfKvetch]

People are forgetting that perceived "white flight" from an area also has a strong economic factor. It's not so easy to just blame societal factors for something so complex.

Most people who buy homes are planning on settling down. But with the job market's ups and downs over the decades - as well as its shifts in the concentration of business location/zones - many families have had to relocate to stay employed. With all the homes up for sale, come the lowered home values, and persons of lower socioeconomic status could then afford to move into neighborhoods they were not able to before. So you have the age-old "classism" issue mixing in with any potential racial compatibility.

Furthermore, in many of the older neighborhoods in town, you have residents who've lived there all their lives, that finally move away because of retirement and/or becoming too elderly to take care of their residences. All that contributes to the "value" of the home - especially in the case of one that hasn't been properly maintained. Again, the home values went down - and younger minority families classically moved in looking for a fresh start.

We're seeing similar patterns nowadays because of the recession - but now, it's just the middle class buying up formerly luxury condos and other wannabee urbanites moving back into minority dominated neighborhoods as they become as affordable as suburban living.

[UrbanQuest]

Let's face it, there is the raucous crowd in every race. It's just that, on the whole if you faced a raucous crowd of your own race, it' not quite as intimidating. If I was black and bunch of wild red-neck trash was hootin and holerin around me in a crowd, I wouldn't get it and would feel very uncomfortable. Some goes for any other race. It's pure ignorance and innocence at the same time. We are a developing nation in regards to race and we are the most advanced, what does that tell you. Unlike the global economy, I can accept the birthing pains of this process. If your black and disgusted in a black raucous crowd, you feel a sense of power of moral transference because these are "your people". Same with whites, except whites (outside the south) will whip down their rabble-rousers with a hook whip in a second (without worrying about getting shot). Disgusted blacks may mutter, but also well know what they are dealing with and wish their children to have a parent around. See the difference.

I believe there should be a desegregation of stompin' out the loud mouths. Harry and Ozziet blacks and whites need to bring it' and together with some chocolate-vanilla swirl kind of beat down. God, I can only hope

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by Tennesse Ed

You can call it anything you wish. If you like the term racist, then use it. I do not care. It is an absolute fact that whenever an area becomes Majority black, crime and corruption follows. Property values decrease. School test scores drop. When given the community as a whole, it becomes worse.
You may not like this comment, but I am interested if anyone can point to a community where this is not true. I do not know of any, but will quickly apologize if someone will point one out to me.
The great social experiment is over in my opinion and has proven to diminish the overall quality of life. If you do not fit this mold, then I am not talking to you.
I cannot help it if the Black Communities cannot make better circumstances. I cannot help it if I do not want to argue or stoop down to this mentality. You call it White Flight, but I simply consider it humble.
I am not as arrogant to think everyone should live as I. It is fine with me if the criminal black want to live together along with the criminal white. It is awful arrogant of anyone to feel I should be subjected to any culture different than my own. I have a heritage and way of life and anyone who feels I should change it out of 'diversity' is infringing on my rights and being oppressive.

Well i guess in Tennessee this may be the case.Here in Atlanta there are several majority ares that are wealthy enclaves that have VERY high home values.I have family in some of them.$400-over $1million.Streets are clean and lawns are well manicured.So I guess you need to get out more.
Economic conditions are a direct correlation to empowerment.When blacks have acheived power over their lives from oppression(i.e;the government,ruling race,and education),its is proven that great things have been accomplished.

When you have institutionalized racism and then "fein ignorance" as to why "those blacks" are failing, then its not "JUST" black people.Its the society.If it were just blacks,why do those blacks that are able to have access to equal opportunity worldwide,are able to excel?Africans do better in school than there American counter parts.In England blacks tend to make grades that are almost consistent with other groups.Much better than here in the U.S.,but there are also problem their.They are not as glaring as they are here.I think it has to do with proximity and density.

Diversity works in many places in the U.S.A. and the world.However it does work better outside the U.S.A. for various reason.America messed up because it allowed a culture of hate to permeate deep,well after slavery in the form of laws and justice.I think it has to due with our emphasis on MONEY.How can we have a system of educating people based on how wealthy your school district is?In most developed countries education is much better because there is no such distinction.The poor and those disadvantaged have the most to gain by having the greatest access to resources.

Im a proud black southerner but have you noticed that the South overall still lags behind in economics and education.Yes its growing but its still low.See this:
Maryland – $68,080
New Jersey – $67,035
Connecticut – $65,967
Alaska – $64,333
Hawaii – $63,746
New Hampshire – $62,369
Massachusetts – $62,365
California – $59,948
Virginia – $59,562
Washington – $55,591
Colorado – $55,212
Utah – $55,109
Minnesota – $55,082
Nevada – $55,062
Delaware – $54,610
District of Columbia – $54,317
Illinois – $54,124
Rhode Island – $53,568
New York – $53,514
Wyoming – $51,731
United States of America – $50,740
Wisconsin – $50,578
Vermont – $49,907
Arizona – $49,889
Georgia – $49,136
Oregon – $48,730
Pennsylvania – $48,576
Michigan – $47,950
Florida – $47,804
Texas – $47,548
Kansas – $47,451
Indiana – $47,448
Iowa – $47,292
Nebraska – $47,085
Ohio – $46,597
Idaho – $46,253
Maine – $45,888
Missouri – $45,114
North Carolina – $44,670
North Dakota – $43,753
Montana – $43,531
South Dakota – $43,424
South Carolina – $43,329
Tennessee – $42,367
Oklahoma – $41,567
New Mexico – $41,452
Louisiana – $40,926
Alabama – $40,554
Kentucky – $40,267
Arkansas – $38,134
West Virginia – $37,060
Mississippi – $36,338

Noticed the states near the bottom are at the lowest in Education.Also,more than half have large black populations.Those states also have the largest number of hate crimes and hate groups.Also they oddly enough they are very religious conservative states.

Yes black in the community that are in position of influence do have a responsibility.However people are people,One RACE cannot make everyone "behave".PEOPLE in general CAN.There are many black people like myself constantly trying to better themselves because it should be a natural human progression.Like all people,some get overwhelmed with despair and choose to succumb to what is easy.No matter the race this is true.Being a minority make it harder.

Instead of pushing your narrow minded opinions of blacks and the issues that are affecting the communities,look at the REAL reasons for why things are the way they are.Yes it does come down to personal responsibility.These issues affect HUMANS the same way.It is amazing that the majority of blacks in the U.S. live well above the poverty line and are educated.I know you could not believe that based on all the negativity.It is in comparison to whites that is less.If this country is fallling apart,it is not those who are responsible that are doing the real damage,it is those who are standing back pointing fingers instead of solutions that are and have always been the problem.Speaking of which,your finger should be pointed at YOU.This country will never get better if the best you can come up with is "build a wall" and "move away".Unforturnately everybody is running away instead of fighting.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by UrbanQuest

Let's face it, there is the raucous crowd in every race. It's just that, on the whole if you faced a raucous crowd of your own race, it' not quite as intimidating. If I was black and bunch of wild red-neck trash was hootin and holerin around me in a crowd, I wouldn't get it and would feel very uncomfortable. Some goes for any other race. It's pure ignorance and innocence at the same time. We are a developing nation in regards to race and we are the most advanced, what does that tell you. Unlike the global economy, I can accept the birthing pains of this process. If your black and disgusted in a black raucous crowd, you feel a sense of power of moral transference because these are "your people". Same with whites, except whites (outside the south) will whip down their rabble-rousers with a hook whip in a second (without worrying about getting shot). Disgusted blacks may mutter, but also well know what they are dealing with and wish their children to have a parent around. See the difference.

I believe there should be a desegregation of stompin' out the loud mouths. Harry and Ozziet blacks and whites need to bring it' and together with some chocolate-vanilla swirl kind of beat down. God, I can only hope

Doesnt that make "mocha"?Sounds good to me!!

[Fritz99]

afonega1 - awesome post. Very interesting correlation between the states that lag in education and economic wealth that also have larger black populations.

[mrdkb]

Originally Posted by suprascooby22

I see your point but my problem isnt with different, races, religions, etc. attending the same schools or living in the same areas. I think everyone can agree that being exposed to different views, races and religions enrich everyone lives. My problem is with this notion that all "diversity" is a good thing and should be promoted. Last I checked we lived in a free country and people should be able to do as they choose. I think that all this politically correct nonsense is social engineering gone awry!

I agree - again. People are too PC.

[mrdkb]

Check out the movie Distrcit 9 (the plot/story is a play on race, racial isolation, forced-culture, failed assimilation, tribal tension, etc...)

[Tennesse Ed]

Tdiddy, I know you wish this not to be true, but Henry County grew with a white demographic and is deteriorating at a rapid pace. Once a very desirable area for white flight moving from Clayton, look at the increasing crime and decreasing property values which are decreasing at a higher percentage than any other metro area other than Clayton. The Cascade area you speak of is another fine example whereas there are affluent Blacks living. Sure there are nice homes in the cascade area, but crime is rampant and the public schools are dangerous. It remains to be seen how the foreclosure mess will hit this area. It is not an area in which most will want to live. It is not everyone as I said. If criminal whites wish to live with criminal blacks, so be it. It is arrogant for me to force my standards on others.
As far as the comment Clayton is not diversified, the commenter does not know the area very well. As so far as I can see, there are many Latinos, Asians, Europeans, Africans and quite a number of others. Diversity at its finest.