Canadian thiking to move in Atlanta

[alinka72]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

It has nothing to do with Canada's aesthetic appearance. It's the best way to describe the route Canada has chosen. Any country that embraces socialism, hedonism, atheism, multiculturalism, and liberalism on the level of Canada has no future. And thanks to their immigration policy and war on the traditional family, by 2050 we are going to be the immediate neighbors of a country that is 15% Muslim, with all the b.s. that entails. Thanks Canada!

You DO NOT know that. To be assuming that affordable quality healthcare, true diversity and freedom of religion has no future is bonkers. It actually contradicts a lot of what you post about Atlanta.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

No, it is how they are. I don't usually tell people to read something, but you really should check out this book by Mark Steyn:


http://www.amazon.com/dp/0973157054?tag=thepropamagaz-20&camp=211493&creative=379989&linkCode=op1&creati veASIN=0973157054&adid=14BE75W3640A1V9D1HQE&]Amazon.com: Lights Out: Islam, Free Speech And The Twilight Of The West (9780973157055): Mark Steyn: Books[/url]


or this one:


http://www.amazon.com/America-Alone-End-World-Know/dp/1596985275/ref=pd_sim_b_1]Amazon.com: America Alone: The End of the World As We Know It (9781596985278): Mark Steyn: Books[/url]





Yes, and a lot of those things would be true to a large degree, but it's a lot harder to implement those as official government policy than the ones I listed in regards to Canada.





Not likely. Demographics is destiny, as they say. America is on a different demographic path than Canada and Europe. While those two places are being slowly Islamicized, America is being Hispanicized. In the worst case demographic scenario (which seems more plausible by the year) we will be similar to a Latin American third-world country. In the grand sceme of things, I'd take that worst case scenario over the one facing Europe and Canada.





Yes, for now it is. But it is becoming more evident by the day that the welfare state is unsustainable in the long run. It is a system that can only be supported when a country's fertility rate is above replacement. The irony is that a welfare state tends to drive the fertility rate below replacement, thus leading to its own destruction.





I really could care less what Canada does and have no desire to make them like us. It's people that move here and try to make us like Canada that I have a problem with.





OMG.


Can you spare the theatrics? Nothing I said was completely outspoken. It's all supported by facts.




Western Europe? Have you any idea what is going on in those countries? They are absolutely swimming in debt due to their vast entitlements and the business-killing taxes necessary to pay for them.

Debt crisis continues to plague Eurozone

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/03/bu...l/03pound.html

Italy's Debt Fuels Worries - WSJ.com

Max Keiser: France Tries to Reduce Debt by Increasing Debt

Spain and Portugal 'in debt denial' | Business | guardian.co.uk

Clearly Western Europe is not a good basis for arguing in favor of increasing entitlements or expanding the welfare state.

You mention how badly some Europen Countries are doing but none of them have even close the debt ratio that we have.Many of those countries are doing no worse or better.

You cant really argue the "evils of socialism" when many programs that are the most popular since FDR are no different than some of those programs that come from Europe.
Now I am a capitalist that believes in Democracy I believe it is the best system in the world combination.However that does not make it perfect.This is also true about every form of government.
Communism in theory is a good form of government on paper,but in reality people are always different.You can never hold people to the same level.

That said ,how can you act as if our capitalist system has not just almost collapse mainly because of greed?The Housing and banking thing was the biggest scam that almost destroyed us.Why did this happen?GREED!!Simple as that.Legal greed at that.

There are no absolutes.Innovation comes with willingness to accept that the way things are are not the way they have to be.
Why does everything have to be all or nothing?As times change we must change with the times.America is falling behind not because we are incapable of changing but because we dont want to.We have the Rome syndrome."Everybody wants to be us".Why change?

There is NO completely sustainable way of government.The people of each government must be able work together and maintain as times go by the government that they want to represent.The moment we become resistant to change ,then its too late,for we have become to complacent.

For the record we have changed plenty before.You forget that we have had government sanctioned racism.Against Native Americans,Blacks,Women, Japanese,Irish etc..

Islam-Europe has been around as long as a 1000 years.America less than 400.I think they are gonna be and are just fine.Of course its a growing problem but not one they cannot handle.
I think the reason Europe is struggling with it because unlike here in America people become more easily Americanized.We dont segregate by culture and race anymore.

You do realize that a lot of people that are immigrating to Canada(not just Islamic people)but many other Europeans because of the Canadian "way".Not because of some easier rules.I know this because I have friend from other countries where they are having a had time getting their family members from th country of birth to join them.Its just as hard in Canada as it is in the U.S.
So they must be doing something right.

[BringBackCobain]

Originally Posted by alinka72

You DO NOT know that. To be assuming that affordable quality healthcare, true diversity and freedom of religion has no future is bonkers. It actually contradicts a lot of what you post about Atlanta.

Sure, Canada could, hypothetically, still have true freedom religion, and be a peaceful society, without sectarianism or social strife. But look at the countries around the world that are at least 15% Muslim. None of them are truly free countries. What makes you think Canada will be the exception? And why take the risk just you can eat at a Bangladeshi restaurant and feel "cultured"?

Look at France. They are at 10% Muslim, and look what has already happened. Soon people will not be allowed to "pray" in the streets. They can't just ban Muslims from praying in the streets, so they ban everybody. To ban head veils from public schools, they had to ban crosses as well. So now you can't wear a cross to school... in France.

[BringBackCobain]

Originally Posted by afonega1

You mention how badly some Europen Countries are doing but none of them have even close the debt ratio that we have.Many of those countries are doing no worse or better.

Right. So considering out debt, why would we want to continue on their path? Why would we emulate the entitlement systems of bankrupt countries?

You cant really argue the "evils of socialism" when many programs that are the most popular since FDR are no different than some of those programs that come from Europe.

Yeah, but that doesn't make them not socialist. Or sustainable for that matter.

Now I am a capitalist that believes in Democracy I believe it is the best system in the world combination.However that does not make it perfect.This is also true about every form of government.
Communism in theory is a good form of government on paper,but in reality people are always different.You can never hold people to the same level.

That said ,how can you act as if our capitalist system has not just almost collapse mainly because of greed?The Housing and banking thing was the biggest scam that almost destroyed us.Why did this happen?GREED!!Simple as that.Legal greed at that.

Greed? Maybe so. But more government regulation is not going to fix that. I'm afraid that's just part of humanity.

There are no absolutes.Innovation comes with willingness to accept that the way things are are not the way they have to be.
Why does everything have to be all or nothing?As times change we must change with the times.America is falling behind not because we are incapable of changing but because we dont want to.We have the Rome syndrome."Everybody wants to be us".Why change?

America is falling behind because of massive trade deficits, no manufacturing base, and massive budget deficits. How is more government going to fix any of that?

There is NO completely sustainable way of government.The people of each government must be able work together and maintain as times go by the government that they want to represent.The moment we become resistant to change ,then its too late,for we have become to complacent.

Yeah, we have let our government get too big and now it's going to sink us. The worst is yet to come.

Islam-Europe has been around as long as a 1000 years.America less than 400.I think they are gonna be and are just fine.Of course its a growing problem but not one they cannot handle.
I think the reason Europe is struggling with it because unlike here in America people become more easily Americanized.We dont segregate by culture and race anymore.

Europe, as we know it, will collapse within the century. I have done a LOT of research on Europe and there is just no way out for them. It's too late for them to turn the demographic tide. How it will fall, I do not know, but I know that it will.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by BringBackCobain

Right. So considering out debt, why would we want to continue on their path? Why would we emulate the entitlement systems of bankrupt countries?
Yeah, but that doesn't make them not socialist. Or sustainable for that matter.

Greed? Maybe so. But more government regulation is not going to fix that. I'm afraid that's just part of humanity.

America is falling behind because of massive trade deficits, no manufacturing base, and massive budget deficits. How is more government going to fix any of that?

Yeah, we have let our government get too big and now it's going to sink us. The worst is yet to come.

Europe, as we know it, will collapse within the century. I have done a LOT of research on Europe and there is just no way out for them. It's too late for them to turn the demographic tide. How it will fall, I do not know, but I know that it will.

I never said emulate anything.I said we should work to create something that would work better by looking a arts that could work with what we do already. fusion or a hybrid of something different.No on disagree's that what we have now is not working either.So why shoul we not look some lace new?If it was an issue of "if it aint broke"...but its IS BROKE so we have to fix it!

Government is the answer because they can take laws away as fast as they can grant them.

Well I would be willing to bet that if Europe goes down,then the U.S. is not too far behind.We are not an Island.
Personally Im not sure the whole world will make it another 100 years