Segregation (Atlanta, Roswell, East Point: crime, houses, where to buy)

[waronxmas]

Originally Posted by IMISSNY

Was reading through this and ATL is very segregated, in my community alone, my subdivision is consider the Premier Community for AA's. It is a diverse area yes, however, we have several whites leaving because they do not feel it appropiate to live with AA's. at our community pool we have two pool areas and for the most part it is completely divided.

Someone was saying that ATL is not as segregated as NY, that is nuts, New York is a melting pot. I grew up there and living here I can see the difference. I cant wait to get to the place where I can find a new job and move out all together, I guess it is because of where I am from and how I was raised, but to me it all is sick. There is segregation everywhere but more so here, and I for one can't stand it, I think for it to be so dominate here is sad

I call BS. You don't even cite where this all occurs.

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Ok, just checked back on another post and IMISSNY says they live in Henry County. Dude, we're talking about Atlanta, not the boonies where you stay.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

I call BS. You don't even cite where this all occurs.

Edit

Ok, just checked back on another post and IMISSNY says they live in Henry County. Dude, we're talking about Atlanta, not the boonies where you stay.

For the record--

Henry County is definitely "Atlanta"...core Metro Atlanta.

Henry County is definitely not the boonies.

The post about the AA/white neighborhood is probably talking about a community in the Fairview or Dutchtown areas of Henry County. What the poster said is happening is actually happening there.

[waronxmas]

Originally Posted by aries4118

For the record--

Henry County is definitely "Atlanta"...core Metro Atlanta.

Henry County is definitely not the boonies.

The post about the AA/white neighborhood is probably talking about a community in the Fairview or Dutchtown areas of Henry County. What the poster said is happening is actually happening there.

Ok, I know that Henry county is part of the Metro region, but it is definitely the boonies. The only reason any one would ever need to go down there is to watch NASCAR at the speedway, but quite honestly most Atlantans try to act like it doesn't exist. This isn't a dig at NASCAR, but if you were to do an informal poll of intown residents I'd be surprised if you found more than a few who would say they are fans of NASCAR.

What really constitutes "Atlanta" in my mind is Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb, Clayton, and Douglas County. This is where you'll find it's culture and customs. When you get any further out than that you are in Georgia Territory in my opinion. That is significant because Georgia has an entirely different culture than Atlanta. Not that you can't find elements of that in Atlanta, but we kind of do our own thing here that has been influenced by the immigration of people from all over the world.

I've spent plenty of time in Henry County, I had a friend who moved there to live the country life, it is definitely NOT Atlanta. It is pretty down there though.

[guzwhyte]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

Ok, I know that Henry county is part of the Metro region, but it is definitely the boonies. The only reason any one would ever need to go down there is to watch NASCAR at the speedway, but quite honestly most Atlantans try to act like it doesn't exist. This isn't a dig at NASCAR, but if you were to do an informal poll of intown residents I'd be surprised if you found more than a few who would say they are fans of NASCAR.

What really constitutes "Atlanta" in my mind is Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb, Clayton, and Douglas County. This is where you'll find it's culture and customs. When you get any further out than that you are in Georgia Territory in my opinion. That is significant because Georgia has an entirely different culture than Atlanta. Not that you can't find elements of that in Atlanta, but we kind of do our own thing here that has been influenced by the immigration of people from all over the world.

I've spent plenty of time in Henry County, I had a friend who moved there to live the country life, it is definitely NOT Atlanta. It is pretty down there though.

I would actually narrow the definition of Atlanta down a bit farther - to those areas inside or immediately adjacent to I-285. I would never include Douglas County in this - Douglas was fully rural until the mid 90s after all. Cobb definitely has different values: anyone who has been in this region for a while knows its stance towards gays and how Kennesaw has required all residents to own a gun. These are not Atlanta values.

My experience has shown that most people who live outside the Perimeter do so because they don't appreciate Atlanta's values.

[DeaconJ]

Originally Posted by waronxmas

Ok, I know that Henry county is part of the Metro region, but it is definitely the boonies. The only reason any one would ever need to go down there is to watch NASCAR at the speedway, but quite honestly most Atlantans try to act like it doesn't exist. This isn't a dig at NASCAR, but if you were to do an informal poll of intown residents I'd be surprised if you found more than a few who would say they are fans of NASCAR.

What really constitutes "Atlanta" in my mind is Fulton, Dekalb, Cobb, Clayton, and Douglas County. This is where you'll find it's culture and customs. When you get any further out than that you are in Georgia Territory in my opinion. That is significant because Georgia has an entirely different culture than Atlanta. Not that you can't find elements of that in Atlanta, but we kind of do our own thing here that has been influenced by the immigration of people from all over the world.

I've spent plenty of time in Henry County, I had a friend who moved there to live the country life, it is definitely NOT Atlanta. It is pretty down there though.

Wow...I don't even know how to respond to that. Aren't we superior? It's a good thing Henry County is "in the boonies" where people don't really matter. But that's not really an uncommon attitude from someone living on the northside of Atlanta.

There are almost 200,000 Metro Atlantans who do have a "need to go down there" every day - because they live there. The population has doubled since 2000, and those aren't country people moving to Henry County...it's suburbia. It has a border with Dekalb...and isn't any further away from the city than North Fulton County.


Atlanta being influenced by immigration around the world isn't very evident if you don't even include Gwinnett County in the mix...

Oh, and living the city isn't mutually exclusive with being a NASCAR fan. I have met plenty of people who didn't fit the typical fan stereotype...and plenty of them live within the city limits.

[DeaconJ]

Originally Posted by guzwhyte

I would actually narrow the definition of Atlanta down a bit farther - to those areas inside or immediately adjacent to I-285. I would never include Douglas County in this - Douglas was fully rural until the mid 90s after all. Cobb definitely has different values: anyone who has been in this region for a while knows its stance towards gays and how Kennesaw has required all residents to own a gun. These are not Atlanta values.

My experience has shown that most people who live outside the Perimeter do so because they don't appreciate Atlanta's values.

SOME people live outside the Perimeter for that reason...the majority are just regular folks who like the suburbs - Atlanta has some beautiful suburbs that are very attractive to all kinds of people. There certainly isn't a particular set of values that can be associated with people who live outside of a border around the city.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by DeaconJ

Wow...I don't even know how to respond to that. Aren't we superior? It's a good thing Henry County is "in the boonies" where people don't really matter. But that's not really an uncommon attitude from someone living on the northside of Atlanta.

There are almost 200,000 Metro Atlantans who do have a "need to go down there" every day - because they live there. The population has doubled since 2000, and those aren't country people moving to Henry County...it's suburbia. It has a border with Dekalb...and isn't any further away from the city than North Fulton County.


Atlanta being influenced by immigration around the world isn't very evident if you don't even include Gwinnett County in the mix...

Oh, and living the city isn't mutually exclusive with being a NASCAR fan. I have met plenty of people who didn't fit the typical fan stereotype...and plenty of them live within the city limits.

Beautiful post, Beautiful response.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by DeaconJ

SOME people live outside the Perimeter for that reason...the majority are just regular folks who like the suburbs - Atlanta has some beautiful suburbs that are very attractive to all kinds of people. There certainly isn't a particular set of values that can be associated with people who live outside of a border around the city.

Again...beautiful.

[equinox63]

Originally Posted by BobKovacs

The problem is, key schools normally don't "suddenly make a 180", and most people would wait until they'd stabilized and had a bit of a track record before diving into your newfound shangri-la. By that point, again, prices would have risen to a point that doesn't work for me. If I wanted to buy in an intown area with decent schools, I could do so now- why would doing it in South Dekalb, assuming your dream was to come to fruition, be any different?

WRT becoming a "suburban pioneer", I have no interest in doing that- it's why I moved where I moved. The schools are already very good, the prices are where I wanted them to be for what I wanted to buy, and the area has what I desired.

I understand your points... However, I'd just like to know (from other white city-data patrons) what would keep you from moving to South Dekalb other than the schools.

After all, many have said they'd gladly move into a predominantly black intown area for the City location and amenities,plus the charming (or potentially charming) and historic neighborhoods.

Unfortunately, South Dekalb, South Fulton or almost any other OTP community are, as someone else mentioned, similar to many other OTP communities -- collections of subdivisions of varying ages and quality... many ranches and split levels etc.

I don't thing the average atlanta resident would look at any OTP community in the same vein as an intown area...

With that said, what would keep a white family from moving to South Dekalb other than the schools and the location of their jobs? If there are white south dekalb residents on city-data (outside of Decatur city) what is your opinion of your South Dekalb community? Why did you move there? What are the pros and cons, etc.?

[equinox63]

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