Segregation (Atlanta, Alpharetta, Dunwoody: credit, house, neighborhoods)

[equinox63]

Originally Posted by grindin

I used to be a substitute teacher for Marietta City Schools, and while that is not a microcosm of the county, it was diverse. I did notice the elementary schools and middle schools had large Latino populations. The HS had people of all backgrounds.

Okay, Cobb is on lock - Diversity City! Thanks for the info...

But, what about the other areas (and HS's) in Metro Atlanta (outside of Cobb)?

[brettk]

I understand where the OP is coming from, but I recommend you check out city data info on the counties, especially the Northern suburbs which many still think is full of nothing but white people:

Races in Gwinnett County, Georgia:

• White Non-Hispanic (67.0%)
• Black (13.3%)
• Hispanic (10.9%)
• Other race (4.3%)
• Two or more races (2.2%)
• Asian Indian (1.9%)
• Korean (1.6%)
• Vietnamese (1.3%)
• Chinese (1.1%)
• Other Asian (0.9%)
• American Indian (0.7%)

Races in Cobb County, Georgia:

• White Non-Hispanic (68.8%)
• Black (18.8%)
• Hispanic (7.7%)
• Other race (3.6%)
• Two or more races (1.9%)
• Asian Indian (0.9%)
• American Indian (0.7%)
• Chinese (0.6%)
• Korean (0.6%)

These numbers are from 07 I believe and I think its safe to say that the white % is going down each day; also I am not sure if these numbers estimate illegals.

[grindin]

Gwinnett County, parts of North Fulton.

[rcsteiner]

Originally Posted by equinox63

Southside (South Dekalb/South Fulton) = predominantly Black
Northside (North Fulton/Outer Northern Suburbs) = Predominantly White
Dunwoody/Buford Hwy = Predominantly Latino/Asian
Clarkston = predominantly Somalian/African
Cobb County = White/Asian

2007 estimated numbers for Cobb County:

White persons, percent, 2007 (a) 70.8%

White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2007 60.3%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2007 (b) 11.4% 7.8%

Black persons, percent, 2007 (a) 23.2%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2007 (a) 0.4%
Asian persons, percent, 2007 (a) 4.1%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2007 (a) 0.1% 0.1%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2007 1.5% 1.2%

Source: Cobb County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Think about your neighborhood... How many of the 4 neighbors to the front back, left, and right of you are of a race other than your own?

I live in a subdivision in southeastern Cobb. My immediate neighbors had been white, indian, black, black, and white for most of the past four years, but one of the black families just moved out and was replaced by a white family roughly a month ago. The whole subdivision is quite a mishmash, though.

[runningncircles1]

Southside (South Dekalb/South Fulton) = predominantly Black
Northside (North Fulton/Outer Northern Suburbs) = Predominantly White
Dunwoody/Buford Hwy = Predominantly Latino/Asian
Clarkston = predominantly Somalian/African
Cobb County = White/Asian
Gwinett County = White/Latino

That's a convoluted list. Gwinnett is definitely not only white/latino. They have more Asian people than Cobb (which you listed as White/Asian). I think you are off base as you don't even have the races for each county correct. Cobb, for instance, is more White/Black... it only has like 4-6% Asian. It has almost 20% Black population.

BTW, many studies have actually shown that Atlanta is one of the lesser segregated metros in the nation based on race. IMO, it's become more separated by income than anything.

[runningncircles1]

Think about your neighborhood... How many of the 4 neighbors to the front back, left, and right of you are of a race other than your own?

I live in Cobb as well, and our neighbors are White, Black, Hispanic, Indian, college students renting, an older retired couple... We have a gay couple on our cul de sac and a lesbian couple on the main street we see walking with their kids. We run the gamut for residents! The incomes differ depending on social circumstance and where they are in life (kids, age, the college kids renting probably aren't working Wall St jobs, etc..).

[JasonPaul]

Originally Posted by equinox63

Cool... well the same questions then... Your kids have friends that come over of various races and they play together and go to the same schools, etc? Your family is cool with and visit the Black family to your right and the white family to your left?

And like i said it's REALLY broad generalizations. Sorry about that... I started the thread to let me know if i'm just imagining things as well.

But what about the High School example i gave earlier?

I live in Cobb also, with no kids. Our subdivision is probably 50/50 white and black folks.

[waronxmas]

I think the OP is confusing "predominant" with segregation. As far as I know there are no cities that have an equal distribution of different races.

On a neighborhood level you may find something similar to that in some places, and in Atlanta it is very common. In fact it is my belief that Atlanta more than any other city in country has tried very hard to break from it's segregated past. Sure, you will find neighborhoods in and around Atlanta that are made up primarily of one ethnic group, but that is usually due to economic or cultural reasons.

To see a real modern segregated city, go to New York City. It's not uncommon to find neighborhoods that are almost completely Italian, Jewish, AA, Chinese, etc. There are two main reasons why you saw Manhattan as "mixed". First, a large percentage of the residents of New York City work in Manhattan and commute in from the other boroughs and suburbs. Secondly, it's New frickin York. Every nation and group in the world is represented there. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a majority Eskimo neighborhood somewhere in Queens. At the end of the day however, most people go back to their segregated neighborhoods at night.

In Atlanta it's not like that at all. Like most have said, the "segregation" you would find here is more along economic lines. Don't think for a second that there is a small amount of white, asian, or latino people living in Southwest Atlanta.

This is even true when you go out to clubs and such. If it's a yuppie club, then you will find yuppies of all colors there. If it's a ghetto club then you will find people of all colors there too.

Anyone who doesn't see how diverse and integrated all of Atlanta is either lives way out in the exurbs and just says they're from Atlanta or is just not paying attention.

On second thought, what exactly is the point of this thread?

[OhioNative]

My Suwanee street is equally black and white, with a little bit of Asian and Hispanic mixed in - in a diverse sudivision of $200,000 to $400,000 homes, a neighborhood that would not exist where I come from in NE Ohio. My daughters have friends of all races, and barely have a concept of race - they describe their friends as having "peach skin," "brown skin," etc as if they are describing their hair and eye color, like it's no big deal.

[Shagbark Hickory]

I'm not familiar with any schools as I don't have brats myself but what I can tell you is I live in the northern part of gwinnett in the mill creek hs jurisdiction and my neighbors are black, white, hispanic, asian, and there is an Iranian family. The kids all grew up in this neighborhood and judging by how much I see them together, they appear to be best friends.

There's many more expensive neighborhoods here than this one. Many, many African americans and Asians and a lot of rednecks all living together.

And can say that Alpharetta wasn't far off from that. More middle-easterners there perhaps.

I travel often and it's not until I visit other cities that I realize how diverse it is here.

Originally Posted by equinox63

Here's an example,

Make three lists:

1. Besides Grady (and maybe Lakeside), list the most evenly mixed Metro Atlanta high schools.

2. Then list the predominantly Black metro Atlanta high schools.

3. Then list the predominantly White metro Atlanta high schools.

I'd predict that the 2nd and 3rd lists would be FAR longer than the 1st...

Also, if you really want to make it interesting... map where those schools are located. I think you would start to see the pattern illustrating what i am talking about...