Herman Cain... (section 8, real estate, insurance)

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by City Fanatic

What is a "moderate"? It's someone who is uninformed and without a viewpoint on issues. The apathetic individuals, and most people are not in the middle. Most Americans, according to polls, are conservative, and thus are on the right side of the political spectrum.

You miss the point.Moderate people on both sides have an understanding that in order to achieve success its about the good of the country,not some ideological mantra that puts you at odds with everyone else.This thinking is why we as a country have become stagnate,and in some cases regressed.We cannot keep resting on the laurels of past greatness.Innovative thinking does not come out being conservative.Conservative is an excuse to do nothing.Status Quo.People are more concerned about being labeled a conservative or liberal so it becomes more about "picking sides"as opposed to just doing what might work no matter who thinks of an idea.

[OhioNative]

Originally Posted by vsmoove

Not sure why the Iraq war would be viewed as 'conservative'. Before Bush, most conservatives, including his father, dismissed nation-building exercises... and now I understand why.

You're right, the Iraq war could be construed as more "neo-con" (whatever that is) rather than traditionally conservative - as someone who leans libertarian/conservative, I was against the Iraq war from day one. I feel that Bush used traditional social conservative issues as a smoke screen to distract people from what he was doing in terms of nation-building and increased spending/government control. Therefore, there was a large group of people who overlooked the deficit spending and erosion of civil liberties as long as Bush came out against gay marriage, abortion, etc. The Republican leadership has no leg to stand on in terms of compaints about Obama's spending and growth of government - IMO, he's just continuing on in the tradition of GWB!!!

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by OhioNative

You're right, the Iraq war could be construed as more "neo-con" (whatever that is) rather than traditionally conservative - as someone who leans libertarian/conservative, I was against the Iraq war from day one. I feel that Bush used traditional social conservative issues as a smoke screen to distract people from what he was doing in terms of nation-building and increased spending/government control. Therefore, there was a large group of people who overlooked the deficit spending and erosion of civil liberties as long as Bush came out against gay marriage, abortion, etc. The Republican leadership has no leg to stand on in terms of compaints about Obama's spending and growth of government - IMO, he's just continuing on in the tradition of GWB!!!

So true.The creation of Homeland Security was the biggest mistake ever.

[RainyRainyDay]

Originally Posted by OhioNative

You're right, the Iraq war could be construed as more "neo-con" (whatever that is) rather than traditionally conservative - as someone who leans libertarian/conservative, I was against the Iraq war from day one. I feel that Bush used traditional social conservative issues as a smoke screen to distract people from what he was doing in terms of nation-building and increased spending/government control. Therefore, there was a large group of people who overlooked the deficit spending and erosion of civil liberties as long as Bush came out against gay marriage, abortion, etc. The Republican leadership has no leg to stand on in terms of compaints about Obama's spending and growth of government - IMO, he's just continuing on in the tradition of GWB!!!

That's very much the way it looks to me. It seems that for the social conservatives, all a politician has to do is state their opposition to abortion and gay marriage, and it's like a magic charm. They are automatically "the right kind of person" and nothing else about them is ever scrutinized.

[noah]

I couldn't disagree more. Many moderates are well informed. Of course I guess it depends on how you define moderate.

Originally Posted by City Fanatic

What is a "moderate"? It's someone who is uninformed and without a viewpoint on issues. The apathetic individuals, and most people are not in the middle. Most Americans, according to polls, are conservative, and thus are on the right side of the political spectrum.

[AcidSnake]

Originally Posted by afonega1

So true.The creation of Homeland Security was the biggest mistake ever.

I'd have to agree. I always felt that the security of the homeland was best left to the States and the National Guard. I always wondered why the so-called Less government "Conservatives" never fought Bush tooth and nail on that one. They didn't even raise a complaint about the Patriot Act. Bush bailed out the airline industry as well.

Where were the "Tea Parties" in those days? That's why I can't take any of them seriously. So much for principles, I guess...

[City Fanatic]

Originally Posted by afonega1

You miss the point.Moderate people on both sides have an understanding that in order to achieve success its about the good of the country,not some ideological mantra that puts you at odds with everyone else.This thinking is why we as a country have become stagnate,and in some cases regressed.We cannot keep resting on the laurels of past greatness.Innovative thinking does not come out being conservative.Conservative is an excuse to do nothing.Status Quo.People are more concerned about being labeled a conservative or liberal so it becomes more about "picking sides"as opposed to just doing what might work no matter who thinks of an idea.

To follow the best interests of the country is to follow the Constitution and get back to limited government, allowing the markets to really work, instead of intermeddling into the affairs of the economy till the point where some individuals get everything for free at the expense of others who must pay astronomical costs.

Obama is a communist. There is no denying such. He aligns himself with communists. He even admits such in his own book that he hung out with Marxists. His grandparents were said to be communists. His policies are clearly designed for greater government control, a trademark of the communist. Look at the banks and automobile companies? Look at this desire for cap and trade legislation. Look at the healt care fiasco? It's about government control. Obama stated that he could foresee a "transition period" in which private healthcare would be phased out.

As such, such government control flies in the face of a FREE PEOPLE, of LIBERTY and personal responsibility. It flies in the face of the U.S. Constitution, the law of the land, as well as how our government was founded and has operated. There is NO dealing or compromise with such, as it is submitting to anti-American ideological forces that will destroy this country as it is supposed to be.

I'LL Pass this



In FAVOR OF THIS



AND THIS

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by afonega1

Conservative is an excuse to do nothing.

Not true at all, although sometimes doing nothing is more prudent than doing the wrong thing. First, do no harm.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by City Fanatic

To follow the best interests of the country is to follow the Constitution and get back to limited government, allowing the markets to really work, instead of intermeddling into the affairs of the economy till the point where some individuals get everything for free at the expense of others who must pay astronomical costs.

Obama is a communist. There is no denying such. He aligns himself with communists. He even admits such in his own book that he hung out with Marxists. His grandparents were said to be communists. His policies are clearly designed for greater government control, a trademark of the communist. Look at the banks and automobile companies? Look at this desire for cap and trade legislation. Look at the healt care fiasco? It's about government control. Obama stated that he could foresee a "transition period" in which private healthcare would be phased out.

As such, such government control flies in the face of a FREE PEOPLE, of LIBERTY and personal responsibility. It flies in the face of the U.S. Constitution, the law of the land, as well as how our government was founded and has operated. There is NO dealing or compromise with such, as it is submitting to anti-American ideological forces that will destroy this country as it is supposed to be.

I'LL Pass this



In FAVOR OF THIS



AND THIS

The Constitution is NOT a perfect document.And where it is perfect it has not been adhered to.People PICK when it is convenient to them or fits there purposes.It is unreasonable to even have a conversation with you.Who said his grandparents were Marxist?If so,so what!!Many politicians had grandparents that were slave owners or KKK members.I don't hear you speaking out about their background.

And what is so bad about Socialism?Those countries like the U.K.,France,and Germany have a standard of living that is equal or better.I do not personally agree with all aspect of it,but the way some people have villeinage it as ALL bad is ridiculous. All that yakety-yak you gave is just nostalgia.We have some problems that the Constitution could not have predicted.We also had more than 2 parties at the time.

I could go on but you are no better than the truthers with G.W.Bush.Now with Obama making claims you have no proof of.Absolute lunacy.

[afonega1]

Originally Posted by neil0311

Not true at all, although sometimes doing nothing is more prudent than doing the wrong thing. First, do no harm.

I agree to an extent,but when is it prudent to say "okay, enough is enough,let's try something new"?.All of our greatness in the U.S. was born out of "harm" ,pain and growth.