Atlanta #1 Again In Forbes - Most Toxic! (Jersey: houses, subdivisions)

[tonygeorgia]

Originally Posted by JakilaTheHun

Actually, NYC does have to include Northern New Jersey. Take a look at the full table of rankings.

Factory pollution can be a problem in many American cities, but automobile pollution is the bigger factor in the aggregate. When it comes to sprawl and autos, Atlanta has NYC beat by a long shot.

False, NYC has more sprawl and autos than Atl

[JakilaTheHun]

Originally Posted by tonygeorgia

False, NYC has more sprawl and autos than Atl

NYC has less sprawl. One shouldn't confuse having more people with "more sprawl." The Atlanta metro area is actually larger, in terms of square footage, than NYC and has a much lower population. NYC has about 2800 people per square mile, whereas, Atlanta has about 630 per square mile. Which is to suggest that Atlanta has more spacing and more sprawl.

NYC might have more autos, but I'm willing to bet my life savings that vehicles in the NYC Metro area are driven less miles, on average, than vehicles in the Atlanta Metro area.

[blondandfun]

LOL, articles like this come and yet when people like me come on and complain about the region I'm called a troll... Nothing further needs to be said from me... I'll stay clear of this forum this month and let the facts speak for themselves.

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[SEAandATL]

At least now we know that Forbes isn't always pro-Atlanta and other sunbelt cities. Those cities are usually ranked among the best in other rankings.

[Mishap]

Originally Posted by SEAandATL

At least now we know that Forbes isn't always pro-Atlanta and other sunbelt cities. Those cities are usually ranked among the best in other rankings.

They rated Atlanta #3 on emptiest cities using some very suspect methodology. Miami came in 11th despite having something like 8,000 condos vacant just in downtown which is significantly higher than ATL despite similar populations within city limits.

Having been stuck on the skyway, I'm pretty sure Northern Jersey is dirtier than this article would suggest:

Very few areas of Atlanta look like this.

I'm sure Atlanta suffers pretty badly due to the sheer number of commuters it gets on a daily basis but there's a reason why every chemical engineer I know is basically stuck w/ job offers in Jersey or Texas. Either the methodology skipped out on some of the dirtiest parts of Jersey or the areas in LI and north of NYC are much cleaner to make it all even out. Looking at the MSA map on wikipedia, there are some moderate density areas that are covered by mass transit so that may just make up for the filth out of NJ. Wonder what would happen if they drew the northern border at Newark.


An article on the mess that is the Miami condo market:
Buyers Sue Trump as Miami’s Condo Prices Plummet (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

[neil0311]

Originally Posted by JakilaTheHun

Part of Atlanta's problem is "Balkanization". I know it seems like a strange term to apply to Atlanta, but it's kind of true. Atlanta probably has the most incoherent jurisdictional system in the country. Instead of functioning as a coherent whole, you have dozens upon dozens of competing "cities" within the Atlanta metro. Then, they have to compete with a sometimes hostile Georgia legislature. The end result is you have too many interests pulling too many ways in order to solve any of the regional problems.

Are you talking about the Atlanta metro area? It's no different that any other big metro area, with towns and cities surrounding the main city.

Ever been to Boston? There are no county governments in Massachusetts, and you have nothing but small cities and small towns surrounding Boston (which accounts for only about 10% of that metro's population). Ever been to NYC? It's made up of 5 boroughs (each one also a county) within the city itself, and then there is Nassau, Westchester, Rockland, and all the NJ counties.

Why is it that people seem to come out of the woodwork thinking that there is some problem if the city limits of Atlanta don't stretch from Macon to Chattanooga? There is absolutely nothing abnormal or bad about the fact that outside the city there are suburbs which have their own governments. In fact, this election in Atlanta is validation of why many people live in the suburbs.

[noland123]

Another problem or a factor is that Atlanta is land-locked,so there are no bays or oceans which stir up air currents that can blow air contaminants out of the area so it stagnates with all of the pollution from heavy traffic exhaust emissions.

[afonega1]

The only category (according to the list) Atlanta is first in is air quality.But when you look at all the other factors Atlanta ranks behind those Houston,Detroit,Cincinnati,Chicago,Philadelphia,L. A. and Jacksonville ,FL.All behind those cities in :a)NUMBERr of "SUPER-FUND SITES",b) NUMBER OF FACILITIES RELEASING TOXIC CHEMICALS, and c)Pounds of Toxic Chemicals released.Yet Atlanta is number ONE?This makes no sense at all.

[johnatl]

Originally Posted by blondandfun

LOL, articles like this come and yet when people like me come on and complain about the region I'm called a troll... Nothing further needs to be said from me... I'll stay clear of this forum this month and let the facts speak for themselves.

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LOL! So in your mind, Forbes absolutely bizarre laundry list of lists are factual?

This list is nothing but garbage. Any well traveled person can confirm that, with or without Forbes.

What has happened to this magazine?

[back2dc]

Look at this two ways:

1) Yes, Forbes lists tend to be all over the place and whether you're #1 one year and #7 the next, the actual rank really isn't relevant.
2) But... The fact is that Atlanta ranks very high on this list. Rather than fight about how accurate/inaccurate the list is and make silly comparisons to Northern New Jersey, recognize this pollution fact as an inconvenient truth. Look at the damage that all the anti-tax legislation, pro-business, rampant sprawl has actually done to Atlanta. Look at how high-density, civic planning and public transit has helped areas like New York.

Learn from the mistakes made. When people complain that Atlanta hasn't really "earned its wings" as a legit city, take a breath before replying. Attacking people with snide defensive comments (which I'm sure I will receive for this post), really proves one thing: that the (inconvenient) truth hurts.