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View Poll Results: Who are you going to vote for on December 1st?
Mary Norwood 72 73.47%
Kasim Reed 26 26.53%
Voters: 98. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-04-2009, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DreamKeeper View Post
I previously read this article but one thing they don't take into account is that Atlanta is a much different city now than it was back when this article is relevant. Atlanta has had a huge influx of highly educated/high income people and a lot of the lower income people have moved (or been pushed) out. The demographic makeup has radically changed over the past ten years. Most of the residents of Atlanta are not going to be voting along racial lines like they have in the past. They are going to be voting for the candidate that they think will best clean up the city both crime wise and economically.

In theory you are correct but there is still a LARGE amount of educated/higher income people here. Most of the people that probably didnt vote anyway have been moved out of the city limits so they dont count anyway but we will see.

Old 11-04-2009, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tonygeorgia View Post
It's not about black or white, its mostly about republicans vs democrats. Most whites in Atlanta are republican and most blacks are democrats.
Well, actually...

People often seem to think that Atlanta's white population lives exclusively in Buckhead. But remember, the other core white area of Atlanta is the eastside...very, very democratic.
Old 11-04-2009, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DreamKeeper View Post
How could it be about Republicans vs Democrats when neither mayoral candidate is Republican? And you are wrong about most whites in Atlanta being Republican. Atlanta is a very liberal city, you don't get into Republican territory until you get into the northern suburbs.

Old 11-04-2009, 10:24 AM
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BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

36 years of black Atlanta mayors have given birth to a thriving and empowered class of black managers, attorneys and contractors. But even after moving tens of thousands of poor blacks who once lived in public housing to areas beyond the city limits, fully one third of black Atlanta remains below the poverty level, making Atlanta number 5 in black poverty among the 40 largest US cities, according to current US Census data. So have the generation of black mayors and the crew that brought them in really done African Americans that much good?

The End of Black Politics As We Knew It: Will Atlanta's Next Mayor Be White? Should We Even Care?

By BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

The unfortunate answers are maybe, and maybe not.
The 1973 election of Maynard Jackson was supposed to be a great victory, among the first tangible fruits of the fifties and sixties Freedom Movement. The days of marching and striking and demonstrating and boycotting and defying unjust laws, black leaders told anybody who would listen, were over. It was time for those among us who were prepared by virtue of their educations, resumés, good suits and connections, to move into the corporate boardrooms that were now ready to accept them, and the political offices they could now be voted into. The mass movement which opened up those doors was disbanded and sent home. Collective action was to be a thing of the past, except for voting and patronizing black businesses.

Guaranteeing the prosperity of the black business class and the black elite, so the gospel went, was the indispensable key to the uplift of entire black communities. Because he assumed office at the beginning of Atlanta's mega-airport construction project, Maynard Jackson was in a better position to prove this theory of black economic uplift than the first generation of black mayors in places like Newark or Gary or Cleveland. Jackson retained a visionary purchasing exec who skillfully leveraged mayoral power to spawn more than twenty new black millionaires in the first few years of his administration and lay the foundation for the thriving and empowered class of black contractors and professionals who dominate Atlanta's political life today.

After 36 years, the results of this experiment are in. It's a failure. Census data on black poverty rates in the 40 largest US cities reveal that the strategies of boosting black businesses, electing black officials, and locking in the prosperity of the black elite have done all those things without lifting black Atlanta any further out of poverty than cities like hard-hit Detroit or Chicago, which hasn't seen a black mayor since the eighties, and both of which have lower densities of black businesses than Atlanta. In 2008 33.6% of black Atlanta was below the federal poverty rate, a higher number than Philadelphia or Columbus, higher than Houston or Memphis, or Kansas City or even Detroit. Nationally, Atlanta ranks number 5 in black poverty behind Milwaukee, Cleveland, Long Beach and Portland.

Atlanta has this alarming rate of black poverty despite fifteen years of one of the nation's most aggressive efforts to bulldoze and clear lower income black neighborhoods. Early this year Atlanta became one of the nation's first cities to entirely eliminate its stock of public housing. While some former public housing residents remain inside the city limits, most observers believe multiple tens of thousands have been driven to the suburbs. In a pattern repeated across the country, states and cities are refusing to gather stats on the exact numbers of these mostly black urban refugees. Georgia Tech political science professors, Black Agenda Report has been told, who tried to track exact local numbers have been actively blocked by officials of the Atlanta Housing Authority.

Atlanta does however, lead the nation in two key indexes of poverty. At 7.8% the percentage of white Atlanta below the poverty level is the lowest of the 40 largest US cities, and the disparity between white and black poverty levels, at 4.3 to 1 is the greatest of the forty largest US cities. It seems that 36 years of rule by African American mayors representing the black business class have been great for white Atlanta, but not so good for African Americans.

None of this is exactly a secret. Early voting in Atlanta began more than a week ago, and has remained at all time low levels. Despite the howls of anguish from parts of Atlanta's black elite over the possibility of a white mayor, Atlanta's black voters seem to have a hard time caring who wins this election. Businessman Aaron Turpeau, a longtime member of Atlanta's black elite, an early backer of Maynard Jackson and co-convenor of the Atlanta Black Leadership Forum, along with Rev. Joseph Lowery, commissioned a paper on whether it was even possible to galvanize support around an African American mayoral candidate, given what the paper admitted was widespread black disenchantment with the city's black political establishment. The paper concluded that Lisa Borders was the African American candidate with the best chance of winning, being endorsed by a large number of the city's old line black pastors and having received the most money from developers and other downtown interests of any black mayoral candidate. It recommended that the organization find a way to rally black support around her.

The campaign of Kasim Reed, the next ranking black candidate in the polls obtained the memo and made it public, hoping to damage Borders. White commentators denounced it as “racist” for even hinting there could or ought to be such a thing as a “black agenda,” however that might be defined. Black mayoral hopeful Lisa Borders joined in calling the memo and Turpeau's group as “racist,” pointedly returning his campaign contribution. But Lisa Borders, as well as the next leading mayoral candidate Kasim Reed, are equally complete products of the Jackson-Young-Campbell-Franklin schools of political influence and elite black power.

Borders comes from the family of a historic black Atlanta preacher of Daddy King's generation, the Rev. William Borders. Kasim Reed was Shirley Franklin’s campaign manager, a “civil rights” and employment lawyer for the corporate violators of civil and employment rights and a state senator the last six years. After voting to approve hundreds of new and renewed contracts to privatize agencies of state government, Kasim Reed discovered he wasn't a fan of privatization after all, just in time to get the Atlanta Labor Council's endorsement. Borders, like Bill Campbell and Shirley Franklin before her remains an enthusiastic privatizer. The white candidate Mary Norwood professes to be neutral on the subject.

Atlanta Progressive News, which has been the only source of ongoing news of the city's attempt to drive public housing residents, the homeless and the poor out of town, has endorsed Mary Norwood.
Norwood has raised more cash than anybody in the race, and is said to be holding it for massive media buys in the final two weeks in an effort to win without a runoff. But even in a runoff election, with one white and one black candidate, and virtually all of white Atlanta behind Mary Norwood extending Atlanta's 36 year run of black mayors is an uncertain prospect at best. And it leads to an uncomfortable question: why bother?

The End of Black Politics As We Knew It: Will Atlanta's Next Mayor Be White? Should We Even Care? | Black Agenda Report
Old 11-04-2009, 10:26 AM
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Who is wrong? Black Atlantans wanting a black mayor or white Atlantans wanting a white mayor?
Old 11-04-2009, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by noah View Post
Maybe its the fact that votors are mad about a 40% property tax increase and having their water turned off due to lack of common sense and audits showing money is being wasted all over.

In such hard times where some are just hanging onto their houses people don't like seeing such an increase in taxes and then hearing about audits showing how inept the city is managing resources.

Well, Norwood is more at fault for the current financial state of the city than Reed is............
Old 11-04-2009, 10:29 AM
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Tonygeorgia. Both, If you feel the only way for you to succeed is to have someone that looks like you in office then you are screwed.
Old 11-04-2009, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Atlantasfinest View Post
The most interesting aspects of this election so far are two things: (1) white Atlantans that presume Mary Norwood is somehow more competent and less susceptible to cronyism than her black competitors, despite all evidence to the contrary; and (2) the national media seizing on and repeating incessently the Norwood campaign’s spin about how electing a white woman as Mayor of Atlanta is somehow the embodiment of MLK’s dream. Both ideas are a gross perversion of the truth.
Can you provide some of this "evidence to the contrary"?

Also, it seems that the AJC is determined to make this election about race. The Political Insider is already breaking it down:


According to those numbers, the whites were more "guilty" of voting for their own race than black people. I am assuming that the black people that voted for Norwood will vote for her again, the black Borders supporters will probably go for Reed, and the white Borders supporters will go for Norwood.

The turnout will be key. Blacks have a history of not returning for runoffs, and according to the article black precinct turnout yesterday was lower than the white turnout.

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Old 11-04-2009, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Atlantasfinest View Post
The most interesting aspects of this election so far are two things: (1) white Atlantans that presume Mary Norwood is somehow more competent and less susceptible to cronyism than her black competitors, despite all evidence to the contrary; and (2) the national media seizing on and repeating incessently the Norwood campaign’s spin about how electing a white woman as Mayor of Atlanta is somehow the embodiment of MLK’s dream. Both ideas are a gross perversion of the truth.
To be perfectly honest, the fact that Reed's brother already does some kind of business with the city and that he was Franklin's campaign manager is a bit of concern. Despite the fact that she's already in city government, I perceive Norwood as MORE of an outsider and therefore more likely to change the status quo.

More importantly though it is their answers during the campaign. Other than Jesse Spikes, Norwood's answers to the city's financial problems make the most sense to me. Reed has made proposals that will do nothing to address the underlying issue of waste and bad management of city funds which is a huge red flag for me. Its not that I think he will be corrupt but merely that he's got the wrong solution to the problem.

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Old 11-04-2009, 10:57 AM
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It's surprising that Mary Norwood gets way more votes in this poll than Kasim Reed. Actually, Mary Norwood has 1.500 Facebook supporters while Kasim Reed has 5.000.
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