City-data poll - Mayor of Atlanta (Lawrenceville, Washington: middle-class, how much, layoffs)

[floyd242]

Originally Posted by J2rescue

Norwood's answers to the city's financial problems make the most sense to me.

What answers? She's been quoted as saying he City's finances are such a mess she can't even comment until she becomes Mayor many times, despite the fact that she's on the city council and has access to all that information now.

I think she'll have no freaking clue what to do if she gets in office...

This runoff is truly a lesser of 2 evils vote, even more so than usual IMO.

[Atlantasfinest]

Originally Posted by MJay

It's surprising that Mary Norwood gets way more votes in this poll than Kasim Reed. Actually, Mary Norwood has 1.500 Facebook supporters while Kasim Reed has 5.000.

Most of those young, upwardly mobile African-American facebook users who support Reed live in Fulton County but not the City of Atlanta. Tons of my Buppy friends who don't live in the city but support Reed who happen to live in South Fulton, South Cobb, Dekalb, Lithonia and Smyrna and Riverdale, Clayton County...The Black voting Bloc has definitely weakened over the years and you don't see alot of young black homeowners in those gentrified neighborhoods or pioneering urban renewel (for many reasons). It's funny when I see them all supporting Reed but they can't even vote...SMH. I tease them all the time to move back to the city.

I'm still not a follower of Reed on Facebook (Previouly I was a "Fan" of Norwood and have yet to de-fan her yet) but one of my college buddies is Reed' campaign manager and another friend runs his Director of New Media (They didn't know I was going for Norwood at 1st). They would kill me If they found out too!...lol

[ATLien]

Originally Posted by MJay

It's surprising that Mary Norwood gets way more votes in this poll than Kasim Reed. Actually, Mary Norwood has 1.500 Facebook supporters while Kasim Reed has 5.000.

Since we know that the mayoral election was really just a racial referendum with whites coming out in higher proportions thus far (the only reason Norwood will even have a chance) it shouldn't be surprising that Norwood gets more votes on city-data.com.

There are more white people on this site from Atlanta.

As evidenced by the consistently right wing and reactionary tone of conversations about various aspects of the city and its governance. So no surprise about that poll.

Not that Reed is a good candidate. I don't think a lot of people really think that. It's just that Norwood is a Republican and Black folks, at this point in time, prefer a ****ty Democrat to any Republican.

And I know you Norwood supporters will follow up with she's not a Republican, etc, etc. Yeah, yeah, whatever.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by MJay

It's surprising that Mary Norwood gets way more votes in this poll than Kasim Reed. Actually, Mary Norwood has 1.500 Facebook supporters while Kasim Reed has 5.000.

It's not surprising really...city-data Atlanta forum posters do not really represent the typical cross-section of City of Atlantans or even Metro Atlantans.

[onemanarmy]

Originally Posted by noah

Maybe its the fact that votors are mad about a 40% property tax increase and having their water turned off due to lack of common sense and audits showing money is being wasted all over.

In such hard times where some are just hanging onto their houses people don't like seeing such an increase in taxes and then hearing about audits showing how inept the city is managing resources.

FACT check: The city of atlanta increased it's general operating from 7.12 mils to 10.12, which is a 42% increase. This represents an increase in about 250 dollars for the average home. So please use this figure the next time you want to complain about tax increases in the City.

Ok, here is my opinion. I thought long and hard at the booth yesterday and I voted for Norwood. I'm black, 30yr, socially liberal and relatively fiscally conservative(I'm an accountant). I can tell you, I felt uneasy about voting for Mary Norwood, because she is WHITE and I can't identify myself with her in anyway, but I also thought that Kasim was an extention of a power bloc of over 30 years and nothing can be good for that long.

I decided that I wanted to see change, but it was hard because Norwood had been on the City Council for eight years and has NO record to speak of. She is republican by record, but honestly locally republicans and democrats are virtually indistinguishable in the Atlanta. Now that the runoff is here, I will take the time to learn each candidate individually I can't say for sure who I'm voting for. It's funny because I always thought people who were undecided are basically lying for attention, but for the first time I can truely say, I don't know.

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by floyd242

This runoff is truly a lesser of 2 evils vote, even more so than usual IMO.

True...but I prefer "who sucks the least."

[aries4118]

Originally Posted by ATLien

...it shouldn't be surprising that Norwood gets more votes on city-data.com.

There are more white people on this site from Atlanta.

As evidenced by the consistently right wing and reactionary tone of conversations about various aspects of the city and its governance. So no surprise about that poll...

Yep.

[LovinDecatur]

Originally Posted by ATLien

As evidenced by the consistently right wing and reactionary tone of conversations about various aspects of the city and its governance. So no surprise about that poll.

When did wanting financially responsible government become right-wing and reactionary?

[south-to-west]

Originally Posted by amd1588

BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

36 years of black Atlanta mayors have given birth to a thriving and empowered class of black managers, attorneys and contractors. But even after moving tens of thousands of poor blacks who once lived in public housing to areas beyond the city limits, fully one third of black Atlanta remains below the poverty level, making Atlanta number 5 in black poverty among the 40 largest US cities, according to current US Census data. So have the generation of black mayors and the crew that brought them in really done African Americans that much good?

The End of Black Politics As We Knew It: Will Atlanta's Next Mayor Be White? Should We Even Care?

By BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

The unfortunate answers are maybe, and maybe not.
The 1973 election of Maynard Jackson was supposed to be a great victory, among the first tangible fruits of the fifties and sixties Freedom Movement. The days of marching and striking and demonstrating and boycotting and defying unjust laws, black leaders told anybody who would listen, were over. It was time for those among us who were prepared by virtue of their educations, resumés, good suits and connections, to move into the corporate boardrooms that were now ready to accept them, and the political offices they could now be voted into. The mass movement which opened up those doors was disbanded and sent home. Collective action was to be a thing of the past, except for voting and patronizing black businesses.

Guaranteeing the prosperity of the black business class and the black elite, so the gospel went, was the indispensable key to the uplift of entire black communities. Because he assumed office at the beginning of Atlanta's mega-airport construction project, Maynard Jackson was in a better position to prove this theory of black economic uplift than the first generation of black mayors in places like Newark or Gary or Cleveland. Jackson retained a visionary purchasing exec who skillfully leveraged mayoral power to spawn more than twenty new black millionaires in the first few years of his administration and lay the foundation for the thriving and empowered class of black contractors and professionals who dominate Atlanta's political life today.

After 36 years, the results of this experiment are in. It's a failure. Census data on black poverty rates in the 40 largest US cities reveal that the strategies of boosting black businesses, electing black officials, and locking in the prosperity of the black elite have done all those things without lifting black Atlanta any further out of poverty than cities like hard-hit Detroit or Chicago, which hasn't seen a black mayor since the eighties, and both of which have lower densities of black businesses than Atlanta. In 2008 33.6% of black Atlanta was below the federal poverty rate, a higher number than Philadelphia or Columbus, higher than Houston or Memphis, or Kansas City or even Detroit. Nationally, Atlanta ranks number 5 in black poverty behind Milwaukee, Cleveland, Long Beach and Portland.

Atlanta has this alarming rate of black poverty despite fifteen years of one of the nation's most aggressive efforts to bulldoze and clear lower income black neighborhoods. Early this year Atlanta became one of the nation's first cities to entirely eliminate its stock of public housing. While some former public housing residents remain inside the city limits, most observers believe multiple tens of thousands have been driven to the suburbs. In a pattern repeated across the country, states and cities are refusing to gather stats on the exact numbers of these mostly black urban refugees. Georgia Tech political science professors, Black Agenda Report has been told, who tried to track exact local numbers have been actively blocked by officials of the Atlanta Housing Authority.

Atlanta does however, lead the nation in two key indexes of poverty. At 7.8% the percentage of white Atlanta below the poverty level is the lowest of the 40 largest US cities, and the disparity between white and black poverty levels, at 4.3 to 1 is the greatest of the forty largest US cities. It seems that 36 years of rule by African American mayors representing the black business class have been great for white Atlanta, but not so good for African Americans.

None of this is exactly a secret. Early voting in Atlanta began more than a week ago, and has remained at all time low levels. Despite the howls of anguish from parts of Atlanta's black elite over the possibility of a white mayor, Atlanta's black voters seem to have a hard time caring who wins this election. Businessman Aaron Turpeau, a longtime member of Atlanta's black elite, an early backer of Maynard Jackson and co-convenor of the Atlanta Black Leadership Forum, along with Rev. Joseph Lowery, commissioned a paper on whether it was even possible to galvanize support around an African American mayoral candidate, given what the paper admitted was widespread black disenchantment with the city's black political establishment. The paper concluded that Lisa Borders was the African American candidate with the best chance of winning, being endorsed by a large number of the city's old line black pastors and having received the most money from developers and other downtown interests of any black mayoral candidate. It recommended that the organization find a way to rally black support around her.

The campaign of Kasim Reed, the next ranking black candidate in the polls obtained the memo and made it public, hoping to damage Borders. White commentators denounced it as “racist” for even hinting there could or ought to be such a thing as a “black agenda,” however that might be defined. Black mayoral hopeful Lisa Borders joined in calling the memo and Turpeau's group as “racist,” pointedly returning his campaign contribution. But Lisa Borders, as well as the next leading mayoral candidate Kasim Reed, are equally complete products of the Jackson-Young-Campbell-Franklin schools of political influence and elite black power.

Borders comes from the family of a historic black Atlanta preacher of Daddy King's generation, the Rev. William Borders. Kasim Reed was Shirley Franklin’s campaign manager, a “civil rights” and employment lawyer for the corporate violators of civil and employment rights and a state senator the last six years. After voting to approve hundreds of new and renewed contracts to privatize agencies of state government, Kasim Reed discovered he wasn't a fan of privatization after all, just in time to get the Atlanta Labor Council's endorsement. Borders, like Bill Campbell and Shirley Franklin before her remains an enthusiastic privatizer. The white candidate Mary Norwood professes to be neutral on the subject.

Atlanta Progressive News, which has been the only source of ongoing news of the city's attempt to drive public housing residents, the homeless and the poor out of town, has endorsed Mary Norwood.
Norwood has raised more cash than anybody in the race, and is said to be holding it for massive media buys in the final two weeks in an effort to win without a runoff. But even in a runoff election, with one white and one black candidate, and virtually all of white Atlanta behind Mary Norwood extending Atlanta's 36 year run of black mayors is an uncertain prospect at best. And it leads to an uncomfortable question: why bother?


The End of Black Politics As We Knew It: Will Atlanta's Next Mayor Be White? Should We Even Care? | Black Agenda Report

Excuse me! But I sincerely hope that you're not implying that my right as an American who happens to be black, to vote or run for office is a freaking experiment!

[J2rescue]

Originally Posted by floyd242

What answers? She's been quoted as saying he City's finances are such a mess she can't even comment until she becomes Mayor many times, despite the fact that she's on the city council and has access to all that information now.

I think she'll have no freaking clue what to do if she gets in office...

This runoff is truly a lesser of 2 evils vote, even more so than usual IMO.

We all know about the three big chunks of the city budget - the general fund, the airport, and water shed management. However the people of this city have zero knowledge of some 80 other separate funds that are a part of the city's real budget which is in excess of a billion dollars. I didn't even know they existed.

She has also said that she has requested access to all of this information but it is apparently controlled by the mayor and since no one has disputed her claim, I have no reason to doubt its validity. In this case, "I don't know" is not only honest but the appropriate answer.