What is causing Latino population in Atlanta area to move out (Douglas: sales, credit)
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I really just can't understand this desire for vengence, to deport every last person in the country illegaly. If they are abiding by our laws and contributing to society, why not just make them legal and give them citizenship, so they can pay taxes?
It's not vengence, at least not on my part. It's merely the desire not to reward criminals and not to bear the expense required to do it.
How can someone be "law abiding" when by definition they are breaking the law, or maybe you feel that people only need to obey laws they agree with or that benefit them? What kind of warped logic rewards someone who broke the law with something as precious as US citizenship?
My mother waited in line, filled out the forms, and came to this country. She got her green card and at the first opportunity she took the tests and got US citizenship. She wanted to be an American, not merely to be in America to take advantage of our economic system and liberal social programs. She had to provide documentation of a sponsor in the US who would guarantee that she would not be a burden on society. Do we even do that anymore for legal immigrants?
Some people see everything as shades of grey, especially many liberals. To these people there are no absolutes and no right and wrong. Well to me there is right and wrong and some things are absolute. If you come to this country and you willingly and knowingly do it illegally and without permission, then I have no sympathy for what happens to you later. If you put your children in the position that they might get separated from you due to them being citizens and you not, then that's on you...not me.
In life there are decisions, choices, gambles, and risks that we all must take/make. Only we bear the consequences for those, not society.
Some people see everything as shades of grey, especially many liberals. To these people there are no absolutes and no right and wrong. Well to me there is right and wrong and some things are absolute. If you come to this country and you willingly and knowingly do it illegally and without permission, then I have no sympathy for what happens to you later. If you put your children in the position that they might get separated from you due to them being citizens and you not, then that's on you...not me.
What about those who represented the English crown who unequivocally informed the upstart US colonists in the years before the Revolution to be good citizens and drop their 'unlawful' claims to self-representation and independence? Wasn't that a pretty clear-cut case of right vs. wrong? I mean, laws are laws, right?
What about those who represented the English crown who unequivocally informed the upstart US colonists in the years before the Revolution to be good citizens and drop their 'unlawful' claims to self-representation and independence? Wasn't that a pretty clear-cut case of right vs. wrong? I mean, laws are laws, right?
So you're drawing an equivalence between colonists who were already British subjects and protesting treatment by their government with foreign citizens who illegally come to the US and demand citizenship and treatment as citizens?
So you're drawing an equivalence between colonists who were already British subjects and protesting treatment by their government with foreign citizens who illegally come to the US and demand citizenship and treatment as citizens?
I was just making a point about the sometimes conflictual nature of obedience to laws, as your statements implied you see it as a matter of simply saying 'they disobeyed the laws' and then washing your hands of the matter. I think it's more complicated.
By the way, you say: "In life there are decisions, choices, gambles, and risks that we all must take/make. Only we bear the consequences for those, not society." Which is obviously absurd. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact. Witness for example the case of this very law itself. You have a group of lawmakers who have taken it upon themselves to pass a law, one that has already set in motion events that are affecting us all. One meaning of the word "fateful" is in those situations where the consequences of decisions are uncertain, incalculable, but the potential of their effects to be exponential is great. That's what you have here, in my view.
By the way what I'm describing here goes equally well for other events as well, as you can easily apply what I'm saying to an act such as, for example, building an oil well in the middle of the ocean.
Well, I for one, don't think it should happen either. I mean, with all due respect, you're basically advocating treating illegal immigrants like animals. Some of these people have been here for a decade. Half of these "illegal aliens" have children who were born in the United States. So you want to deport their parents and leave their children as orphans?
I really just can't understand this desire for vengence, to deport every last person in the country illegaly. If they are abiding by our laws and contributing to society, why not just make them legal and give them citizenship, so they can pay taxes?
If they are in this country illegally, they are not abiding by our laws.
If they are --contributing to society-- they would need fake ID's.
If they are in this country illegally, they are not abiding by our laws.
If they are --contributing to society-- they would need fake ID's.
Also, not abiding by our laws.
What about those who hired these non-law abiding people, thereby presumably benefiting from their labor? And while we're at it, what about those who benefited from their labor in a more general way? What about their responsibility? That is to say, what about *our* responsibility?
Oh, I forgot, you're with the side that says "there's no such thing as society". And why not think that way after all, it's sure easier to sleep that way.
By the way, you say: "In life there are decisions, choices, gambles, and risks that we all must take/make. Only we bear the consequences for those, not society." Which is obviously absurd. Nothing could be further from the truth in fact.
Well, this is getting way too far from the topic, but suffice it to say that I stand by my comments, and yours indicate to me a very different outlook on life than mine.
I believe that we as individuals make choices in life. We make decisions, some good and some bad. In the end, we are responsible for those choices, not anyone else. You obviously disagree and in doing so you highlight one of the differences in our society today...those who believe in individual reponsibilitly and those who don't.
Well, this is getting way too far from the topic, but suffice it to say that I stand by my comments, and yours indicate to me a very different outlook on life than mine.
I believe that we as individuals make choices in life. We make decisions, some good and some bad. In the end, we are responsible for those choices, not anyone else. You obviously disagree and in doing so you highlight one of the differences in our society today...those who believe in individual reponsibilitly and those who don't.
You're right there, neil0311, I believe that collective responsibility often outweighs and cancels out individual responsibility.
(and I don't have to waste time justifying illegals )
So my comment about labor (a dirty word to you no doubt). Apparently just sailed right over your head. Zzzzzzzzz
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