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Old 01-14-2011, 08:18 PM
 
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I don't think so. Any employer can fire you at any time for absolutly no reason. It is there company. They can hire and fire as they see fit UNLESS they fire you for the wrong reason - Like if it was because you were: black, mexican, a woman, too old etc. And then you would have to sure and prove you were wrongy descriminated against.
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Old 01-15-2011, 09:26 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn NY
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This may be slightly off-topic, but does it baffle anyone else how many sh*tty people/employees still have jobs in this economic climate? You would think that employers would use the recession as a way to attract some better talent while they got rid of poor performers. I continue to have less than favorable experiences with companies and their employees when I know there are more qualified people out there who can (and will!) do a much better job. I know there is the whole aspect of training, experience, etc, but it still baffles me how some people still have jobs.
Because those people have put their life and years into the job. Hell no they shouldnt be layed off or fired JUST because their employer THINKS someone else is better for the job. Thats why there are unions to fight for your rights and trust me in NY City/State/Federal government jobs seniority rules and speaks for itself.
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:04 AM
 
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My husband was recently fired from a job - he did sign the "at-will" agreement when he was hired five years ago. After new management was hired last year they seemed to want to have younger, hip-er, employees at their office. They began to trump up little issues and other workers lied about him and then - unbelievably - were taken seriously by management because of their desire to get rid of him. There was no obvious age discrimination -- because THAT would be illegal -- instead they picked at and lied on a good worker and got him fired for the first time in his life (he's 48). It is mind-boggling to me how easy it was for them to get rid of him. The corporation took the word of his manager and did not listen to his efforts to defend himself at all.
I know that it is illegal to fire for any discrimination but how do workers protect themselves from petty, selfish and just plain BAD bosses?
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Marietta, GA
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how do workers protect themselves from petty, selfish and just plain BAD bosses?
Change human nature? Look, at some point we've all dealt with bad bosses. If someone has been fired due to discrimination that can be proven, then you have legal recourse.

I don't know you or your husband, but in my many years in the workforce, I have often heard people who can't look in the mirror. They blame their manager, the company, and the world, when the reality is that they are a lousy worker who received warnings, and finally got fired. It's nobody's fault but their own.

If you truly want contractual protection, then find a union job. You get enforced mediocrity, and the risk reward curve is pretty flat. You may not get fired, but you won't get much recognition or reward either. You also may get laid off when the company can't pay the inflated wages or deal with the low productivity typically seen from union workers.

Or you can just find a company with better management. And work your butt off to make yourself indispensable.
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:14 AM
 
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I wish I lived in France so I could get two years severance pay if my job fired me. Some of our employees stationed over there were actually asking to be fired when they caught wind of that. Screw it. If there was ever a time to post this:

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Old 09-13-2012, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Because those people have put their life and years into the job. Hell no they shouldnt be layed off or fired JUST because their employer THINKS someone else is better for the job. Thats why there are unions to fight for your rights and trust me in NY City/State/Federal government jobs seniority rules and speaks for itself.

So let me get this straight. If I run a company I should keep people on my payroll just to make them feel better about themselves? Like what are you 12? Let me school you on basic economics. There are companies, and they need to make money. An employee is a means for the company to make money. When an employee contributes absolutely squat to my company, I let them go. And if I don't think they're working out, I have every right to drop their ass and replace them. Deal with it, it's life. If I keep a bunch of crappy employees who just do anything they want (and I still have to pay them), guess what happens to my company? It dies in case you weren't able to figure this out.

Oh your have NYC in your name. Amazing how people from NYC always think they're smarter than people in the south, yet has ridiculous logic like you did in your post. But then again, maybe you're just a socialist, which is also a not so intelligent viewpoint within itself.
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:46 PM
 
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So let me get this straight. If I run a company I should keep people on my payroll just to make them feel better about themselves? Like what are you 12? Let me school you on basic economics. There are companies, and they need to make money. An employee is a means for the company to make money. When an employee contributes absolutely squat to my company, I let them go. And if I don't think they're working out, I have every right to drop their ass and replace them. Deal with it, it's life. If I keep a bunch of crappy employees who just do anything they want (and I still have to pay them), guess what happens to my company? It dies in case you weren't able to figure this out.

Oh your have NYC in your name. Amazing how people from NYC always think they're smarter than people in the south, yet has ridiculous logic like you did in your post. But then again, maybe you're just a socialist, which is also a not so intelligent viewpoint within itself.
I don't totally disagree, but there should be some amount of loyalty on both sides...there isn't anymore. I would rather not work for a company that has a history of not standing behind its employees, just like a company would rather not hire an employee that has a history of jumping around from job to job.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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My husband was recently fired from a job - he did sign the "at-will" agreement when he was hired five years ago. After new management was hired last year they seemed to want to have younger, hip-er, employees at their office. They began to trump up little issues and other workers lied about him and then - unbelievably - were taken seriously by management because of their desire to get rid of him. There was no obvious age discrimination -- because THAT would be illegal -- instead they picked at and lied on a good worker and got him fired for the first time in his life (he's 48). It is mind-boggling to me how easy it was for them to get rid of him. The corporation took the word of his manager and did not listen to his efforts to defend himself at all.
I know that it is illegal to fire for any discrimination but how do workers protect themselves from petty, selfish and just plain BAD bosses?
I have to take that with a grain of salt because it seems exceedingly rare for anyone to be fired by any fault of their own... I suppose it's kind of like the fact that most people in jail are innocent and more than half of people are better than average drivers

No effectively run business is going to treat someone as a valuable asset unless they've made themselves into one. If you don't make yourself valuable, you'd better grow some thick skin and prepare to be pushed around.

No one ever said being an adult was easy... just be glad posting on an Internet forum about your husband having to collect unemployment checks for awhile is the worst of your problems. Good ol' 21st century Western crises

It's actually pretty impressive that he made it until 48, he's a lucky b*****d. My first time was at 25.
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA (Sandy Springs)
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Keep in mind that if a company keep firing its people for no reason, word will get out soon no one will want to work there, the smartest and best ones will leave to go else where, the company will go under.
This is a good point.

Sites like glassdoor.com can offer a glimpse inside the company culture of any moderate to large company.

Before I took my current job I checked out the company and found generally positive ratings, which have matched my experience so far.

If a company gets a reputation for firing people without cause, that will not benefit them in the long run.
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Old 09-14-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: NYPD"s 30th Precinct
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ok ok ,, after reading this i have a question,,,
i was fired from my job on the 22nd of dec. they said that ga was a at will state and that they didnt have to tell my why,,, i later found out that i was fired over something i didnt do so in other words i was blamed for someons else mess up ,,, unemployment is ok well i have not gotten it yet but in the case that i do i will be loseing 800.00 from my reg pay a month ,, is there anything i can do about that seeing i was fired so no reason at all,,,,?
There is a very short list of things that you cannot be fired for. There is a pretty much infinite list of things you can be fired for. If your boss doesn't like your haircut or the color of your socks, you can be fired.
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