When was the last time you saw a Confederate Flag/Symbol? (Valdosta: law, bars)
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So , why was no one convicted of treason after the war ?
Because Lincoln was a nice guy who thought beyond revenge. The so-called "Radical Republicans" wanted to impose a much harsher punishment, but Lincoln and Johnson felt that the wounds of the war would never heal. They wanted to preserve the union and gave the average rebel amnesty.
1)I dont expect anything from you or anybody else.You made a statement about the family member you lost in the 1962 plane crash.I agreed by saying it was a tragedy and the words that Malcom X said were wrong but I understand the context of which he said it and the times in which he said it.Also that he encouraged and eye for an eye.You acted like you could not see why you would have whole bunch of angry blacks folks after being subjected to what they had been subjected to over generations.There is nothing hateful about protecting yourself against ACTUAL physical attack.Malcom is no different than Alexander the Great,Ramses II,Moses or any other leader that wanted freedom for his people.
First off, I made no such statement, that was northwinds.
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Then you try to pigeon hold me by making assumptions that i must think something because I am black I want restitution?Ok I'll bite again
I don't want anything that I did not work for. Although the U.S.Government has given reprerations in the past to other groups:
Native Americans got land and self governing rules.
So why is outlandish that the worst of these crimes against slaves and citizens not be made available?Even after slavery its a common fact that Blacks had property taken from them by being murdered or threaten,patents by blacks that help this country grow today denied ,stolen,medical experiments done without consent for years in Alabama,the black farmers denied loans given freely to their white counterparts for years,I mean the list goes on.I could even tell you of personal family matters in the past.
So while I have no need and really think it will create a further welfare mentality I see that there is precedent.Therefore not an outlandish idea.
Oh, you're right about that...
As far as the flag being displayed I find it offensive as a veteran moreso than as an African American.I have white friends growing up that were the coolest nicest people.Many really close and they would have the flag on their trucks or on a T-shirt.I knew they were good people so it did not bother me.Much like it does not today accept when I see it on a white robe.
Okkaayy....so why the purpose of this thread? You are a contradiction. It's okay for your close white friends to wear the flag on a tee shirt, but no one else?
Where have you been that you saw a rebel flag on a white robe? Or a white robe period for that matter?
I have lived in GA my entire life and never seen anyone wearing a white robe.
I will go on to add that racism will always exist, and on both sides.
I lived in middle Georgia for nearly all my life, and can tell you, that openly and hostily young blacks there are incredibly racist.
I find it ironic, because the older generation of black people there, the ones that would legitimately have racial issues with white folk, are the nicest and most embracing people I've ever met. I don't understand the disconnect and the proverbial "chip" on the shoulder that the younger black generation there have. They did not suffer the past.
Maybe, but that doesn't mean that you celebrate it or are "proud" of it. When good people don't stand against it, that's when the racists win.
Well, I happen to believe that just because one sports a rebel flag, that doesn't mean that they are racist. They may just be a redneck, which is not the same.
So, for anyone to lump all the rebel flag wearing people into the "racist" category, is the pot calling the kettle black, so to speak. The act of doing that is stereotyping (aka racism) in itself, is it not?
Well, I happen to believe that just because one sports a rebel flag, that doesn't mean that they are racist. They may just be a redneck, which is not the same.
So, for anyone to lump all the rebel flag wearing people into the "racist" category, is the pot calling the kettle black, so to speak. The act of doing that is stereotyping (aka racism) in itself, is it not?
OK...I didn't say that someone who sports a rebel flag is automatically a racist. I guess one could be ignorant of the meaning and history that stands behind the flag. Either way, that history and meaning are still there.
OK...I didn't say that someone who sports a rebel flag is automatically a racist. I guess one could be ignorant of the meaning and history that stands behind the flag. Either way, that history and meaning are still there.
(I know you didn't say that, but the implication and assumption is still there...)
Should one be offended of the term "Dixie" as well?
Should one be offended of the term "Dixie" as well?
No more than Deutschland. Of course the implication I'm picking up from your comments is that I'm somehow being picky or unfair.
Do you feel that the Confederacy was a noble undertaking? Do you feel that its symbols and the rebel flag, which were co-opted by groups such as the KKK and used by racist segregationists in the 1950s and 1960s as a direct affront to civil rights, are innocuous?
First off, I made no such statement, that was northwinds.
I will go on to add that racism will always exist, and on both sides.
I lived in middle Georgia for nearly all my life, and can tell you, that openly and hostily young blacks there are incredibly racist.
I find it ironic, because the older generation of black people there, the ones that would legitimately have racial issues with white folk, are the nicest and most embracing people I've ever met. I don't understand the disconnect and the proverbial "chip" on the shoulder that the younger black generation there have. They did not suffer the past.
Food for thought....
Maybe you should eat from your own table.I too grew up in middle Georgia.I am nowhere near my 20's and I have an established career outside of being a veteran.The fact that you seem to hold black young men that have chips on there shoulder is maybe perhaps you would rather have it as it were in "the good old days" when a black man could not fight back against evil.In my opinion it has nothing to do with black or white.I and my siblings were always taught right is right wrong is wrong.This is why I made the statement about Malcom X.Even under duress should never have said what he said.Does that all of a sudden equate him to millions of people who benefited and supported a racist government in which Malcom X and his descendants had and have suffered?Many of which included some of the 120 people(maybe even your family)who suported and benefited from the status quo?
So because racism has always existed I should ignore facts that led to events that happen even today?I dont have a human right to speak out?Remember many blacks in this country as well as whites have so much blood of each other in them that (at least for me)there is no an=mount of hate one race can do to me to ever make me not realize that we are all related and have treated each other badly.
I can not hate a white person any more than I can hate myself.I do not.Never have.Yet the fact that you think young black people are complaining about issues of the past (not possibly what goes on when they enter a room full of your types)that you think it has NOTHING to do with today.I suppose you think sense there are no more hangings,Jim Crow and we have a black President then there must be no more racism so we just should shut up?
Old black people went through more than what younger generations will never experience on the same level.If you seen a sibling lynched im sure being followed around in Van Cleef's or denied service at Cracker Barrell is a "walk in the park" to them.Much like how Im sure your parents walked up-hill in 6 feet snow for 20 miles with no shoes in VALDOSTA ,GA.
Q: When was the last time I saw a confederate flag?
A: Far OTP...in Florida a few months back on vacation. I don't go OTP often, but I find it hard to imagine that you'd see it on a regular basis anywhere near Atlanta. Deeper into Georgia is a different story though.
As for what the flag itself means, I'm of the belief that is a symbol of both treason and the failed attempts of idiots to stop desegregation. Those who support the confederate flag should own it for what is and stop trying to make it something else.
Q: When was the last time I saw a confederate flag?
A: Far OTP...in Florida a few months back on vacation. I don't go OTP often, but I find it hard to imagine that you'd see it on a regular basis anywhere near Atlanta. Deeper into Georgia is a different story though.
As for what the flag itself means, I'm of the belief that is a symbol of both treason and the failed attempts of idiots to stop desegregation. Those who support the confederate flag should own it for what is and stop trying to make it something else.
Wow, waron. There's a house with one on a flagpole, a few blocks from my home. I'm in East Cobb ... this isn't exactly rural Georgia.
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