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Old 06-07-2010, 06:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Sikaranista View Post
According to 2008 FBI uniform crime report, there are many cities Atlanta's size that have fewer violent crimes than Atlanta.

City of Albuquerque 527,464 4,718
City of Atlanta 533,016 7,403
City of Austin 753,535 3,935
City of Boston 604,465 6,676
City of Charlotte 758,769 7,070
City of Denver 592,881 3,361
City of Fort Worth 701,345 4,601

That's as far as I got through the alphabet. More on link:

Table 6 - Crime in the United States 2008 (http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/data/table_06.html - broken link)
Wow That's a interesting list, you would think that ever city would be low like Austin compare to Atlanta the way your talking. because Boston, especially Charlotte, Fort Worth are NOT MUCH BETTER according to that list!. Just saying. Also the table is 2008 and Atlanta crime rate has been going down every year for 2 decades, 2009 There many sources including most dangerous cities by forbes with charlotte for instance being higher in crime now, but at least you didn't post a 2003 list.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:08 AM
 
Location: East Cobb
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Is this the reason why so many people choose to live outside of the city? Given how bad traffic is, I would think that you'd have to have a pretty powerful reason for living outside of the city center ... is it simply to avoid crime?

If so, it's funny how no one actually discusses/admits that.
Uh, I think there are threads here on City-Data Atlanta all the time in which people assert that one of the reasons they choose to live in a suburban area is for less crime (along with better schools, more house for the money, etc.)

Also, metro Atlanta has five million people. We wouldn't all fit in the city center anyway. Isn't Los Angeles an even larger, more sprawling metropolis than Atlanta, with even worse traffic? Do you find it odd that the entire Los Angeles metro population doesn't choose to live close to the city center?

By the way, I don't know how Atlanta stacks up against other metropolises, crime-wise. So I'm not staking out a position here on your central concern. Just pointing out that the above post seems a bit off the rails. Your anxiety is getting to you.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:13 AM
 
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The last few to several posts from afonega, chiatldal, and Rainy were so good.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:32 AM
 
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"A" problem for those who want their elderly parents to relocate is finding physicians to take them on as new patients. I know this has nothing to do with crime directly, but it is going to be a huge issue for older people on Medicare who need to, or want to relocate. If you are contemplating this, you need to get them signed up with a new doctor BEFORE relocation.

Crime is likely to get a lot worse due to economic conditions breeding desperation. Too many are addicted to drugs and booze and that adds to crime conditions.

The Atlanta news from their several stations seems to be dominated by the latest horrific murders, apartment complex fires or city hall scandals. I try to avoid Atlanta at all costs. Used to you could take a shuttle from Athens to Charlotte for connecting flights, but now you have to go to Atlanta.

The truth is, no place is safe, just degrees of less more or less safe. The best thing anyone can do is to find employment in a smaller community away from a large city. But most folks cannot tolerate small town living.

Last edited by Ollie1946; 06-07-2010 at 06:33 AM.. Reason: Additional thought.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:42 AM
 
Location: ATL
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So now you're insulting North Dakota? You throw mindless insults out there non-stop but when someone has an intelligent negative comment about Atlanta then your head explodes. That's why I think you're a 13-year old in big glasses. Rational adults don't behave this way.

Please re-read my posts that explain why I'm on here. I want my elderly parents out of Atlanta and I monitor this forum as a way to gauge what is going on with crime, real estate, etc. I want my parents to move back up North either to DC or Connecticut to be around family in areas where there is less rampant crime and more competent city government.

Less crime in Bmore, DC, Philly? Are you crazy. Those cities have between 200-400 murders each year. Atlanta is not anywhere close to that!

2009 Murders via FBI

Bmore-238
Philly- 302[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
DC- 190
Atlanta-80
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:43 AM
 
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The first article says crime is up everywhere and gives four examples of such. It does not mention Atlanta so it's pretty much irrelevant. The second article is from 2006. The last article says that crime is down throughout New York City except for one particular area.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:44 AM
 
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People move here and complain about small crimes when Dallas, DC, Houston, etc have to worry about multiple killings each day. Id rather take my chance worrying about small crimes verses murders anyday
Small crimes? I just had somebody shot right outside my front window in broad daylight the other day. I hardly think I'm complaining about a "small crime."
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Woodstock, GA
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Default The problem with per-capita statistics

Lots of hyperbole and opinion on this thread and very little actual numbers.

I grabbed the spreadsheet of crime statistics for 2009 off the FBI website.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/prelimsem2009/Excels/09table4.xls (broken link)

This is the most recent data available. Then I calculated per capita crime rates by adding the violent and property crime numbers, dividing by the population, and multiplying by 100000. This gets a per capita number as I understand it.

Atlanta has 7362 crimes reported in 2009 per capita.

New York is 2242, LA is 2809, and Chicago is 4227.

However ... by the same per capita measure, the following cities have a worse crime rate than Atlanta:

Birmingham, AL: 9223
Anaheim, CA: 9791
New Haven CT: 7460
Orlando, FL: 8579
St. Petersburg, FL: 8382
Columbus GA: 8504 (that's Georgia, NOT Ohio)
Baton Rouge, LA: 7383
Lafayette, LA: 7522
Detroit, MI: 7466
Flint, MI: 7734
Jackson, MS: 8505
Springfield, MO: 9708
St. Louis, MO: 10401
Fayetteville, NC: 8491
Chattanooga, TN: 8462
Knoxville, TN: 7407
Memphis, TN: 8870
Salt Lake City, UT: 8726
Tacoma, WA: 8050

So if you're willing to accept that all of those cities listed have a worse crime problem than Atlanta, then I guess we can accept per capita measurements as realistic. But I honestly don't think the crime in St. Petersburg, FL or Columbus, GA really compares to Atlanta.

By the way, DC has a per capita crime rate of 5768.

What would be a fairer measure of crime would be the per capita numbers from cities with a similar population.

Atlanta's population as listed in the FBI report is 552,901, so I selected cities with a population in the range 400000-700000. Now the picture looks very bleak for Atlanta. Only one city with population in that range had a per capita crime rate higher than Atlanta: Memphis.

If you're looking for good news in the numbers, the number of overall crimes in Atlanta dropped from 46381 in 2008 to 40708 in 2009.

Although I think it is unfair to compare Atlanta's crime rate to New York or LA on a per capita basis, clearly Atlanta has a crime problem when compared to cities of similar size. I don't think this will come as a surprise to very many people.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Less crime in Bmore, DC, Philly? Are you crazy. Those cities have between 200-400 murders each year. Atlanta is not anywhere close to that!

2009 Murders via FBI

Bmore-238
Philly- 302[SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
DC- 190
Atlanta-80
First -- all of these cities have larger populations that Atlanta, so the raw data here not only is useless, but obviously used in a biased fashion.

Murders are concentrated in the projects -- drug-deals gone bad. The average citizen does not have to worry about murders, unless the projects are closed down and section-8 vouchers are used throughout the city AND the suburban metro area? Sound like any city that we know?

Plus there are other crimes you're not reporting which are more common than murders. It's these other crimes that can affect the average citizen.
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Old 06-07-2010, 06:49 AM
 
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Lots of hyperbole and opinion on this thread and very little actual numbers.

I grabbed the spreadsheet of crime statistics for 2009 off the FBI website.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/prelimsem2009/Excels/09table4.xls (broken link)

This is the most recent data available. Then I calculated per capita crime rates by adding the violent and property crime numbers, dividing by the population, and multiplying by 100000. This gets a per capita number as I understand it.

Atlanta has 7362 crimes reported in 2009 per capita.

New York is 2242, LA is 2809, and Chicago is 4227.

However ... by the same per capita measure, the following cities have a worse crime rate than Atlanta:

Birmingham, AL: 9223
Anaheim, CA: 9791
New Haven CT: 7460
Orlando, FL: 8579
St. Petersburg, FL: 8382
Columbus GA: 8504 (that's Georgia, NOT Ohio)
Baton Rouge, LA: 7383
Lafayette, LA: 7522
Detroit, MI: 7466
Flint, MI: 7734
Jackson, MS: 8505
Springfield, MO: 9708
St. Louis, MO: 10401
Fayetteville, NC: 8491
Chattanooga, TN: 8462
Knoxville, TN: 7407
Memphis, TN: 8870
Salt Lake City, UT: 8726
Tacoma, WA: 8050

So if you're willing to accept that all of those cities listed have a worse crime problem than Atlanta, then I guess we can accept per capita measurements as realistic. But I honestly don't think the crime in St. Petersburg, FL or Columbus, GA really compares to Atlanta.

By the way, DC has a per capita crime rate of 5768.

What would be a fairer measure of crime would be the per capita numbers from cities with a similar population.

Atlanta's population as listed in the FBI report is 552,901, so I selected cities with a population in the range 400000-700000. Now the picture looks very bleak for Atlanta. Only one city with population in that range had a per capita crime rate higher than Atlanta: Memphis.

If you're looking for good news in the numbers, the number of overall crimes in Atlanta dropped from 46381 in 2008 to 40708 in 2009.

Although I think it is unfair to compare Atlanta's crime rate to New York or LA on a per capita basis, clearly Atlanta has a crime problem when compared to cities of similar size. I don't think this will come as a surprise to very many people.

Overall, good post.
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