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Old 02-20-2011, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Blue states didn't suffer being a conquered nation which was oppressed & impoverished well into the 20th Century. But those red states' choices early on are their own fault for that.

It would've been nice if many of the southern red states had a better economic base to work with from the getgo in modern times.

Again, demographics can play a VERY large part in the quality of the urban education.
Much money is thrown at the large urban districts in said blue states & DC, yet they have some of the very worst results.

The poor in those blue urban areas tend to vote democratic because of the false assumption that the "Great Society" handouts will elevate them.

But it is interesting to note that recently the better the masses educate themselves about what the government is doing to them, the more they are turning towards conservatism.

Witness the decline in the % of American workers who belong to trade unions in private industry, then look at the increase of government workers belonging to unions. What does that tell us?
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Old 02-20-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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We all know the top athletes are passed through whether they deserve to be or not.
No, that isn't true.
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Old 02-20-2011, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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No, that isn't true.
It was true at one time many decades ago. I should know, since I was a part of it.

After "no pass, no play" became the rule, that no longer happened as much.

Look at what that educational culture change did to Austin's Reagan High School football program, as one anecdotal example.

So today, sometimes the best would-be athletes are relegated to gang activity and robbing 7-11 stores.
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Austin Bound
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Barbara Bush recently observed that students in Texas currently rank 47th in the nation in literacy, 49th in verbal SAT scores and 46th in math scores. Then she asked, “In light of these statistics, can we afford to cut the number of teachers, increase class sizes, eliminate scholarships for underprivileged students and close several community colleges?”

Good questions. Article is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/op...q=texas&st=cse
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:30 PM
 
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It was true at one time many decades ago. I should know, since I was a part of it.

After "no pass, no play" became the rule, that no longer happened as much.

Look at what that educational culture change did to Austin's Reagan High School football program, as one anecdotal example.

So today, sometimes the best would-be athletes are relegated to gang activity and robbing 7-11 stores.
Well, I can't speak to what went on many decades ago, so that may very well be true, but there's more accountability now. Not saying it never happens, but the remark that asserted that all top athletes are passed through without merit isn't accurate based on what I've seen. For many of these kids, playing sports, cheering, or participating through dance team and band is a strong motivator to keep their grades up. We see a lot more kids going to tutorials in the fall, working with teachers to keep current on work because they enjoy those activities and want to participate. Sometimes that strong relationship with "Coach" and the desire to earn his respect is enough to get through to some hard-headed kids. Yes, there is sometimes too much focus on them, but they are things the kids enjoy, and there does need to be some of that in school, particularly since some students are harder to motivate.
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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Barbara Bush recently observed that students in Texas currently rank 47th in the nation in literacy, 49th in verbal SAT scores and 46th in math scores. Then she asked, “In light of these statistics, can we afford to cut the number of teachers, increase class sizes, eliminate scholarships for underprivileged students and close several community colleges?”

Good questions. Article is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/17/op...q=texas&st=cse
Money - especially that confiscated from the working productive people - to throw at a problem simply is not the answer to everything.

The more you give, the more millions impoverished and needy come pouring over the border. This is too major a population increase for the fewer and fewer taxpayers to keep propped up. What do you propose? Taxing people 100% of their hard-earned money so we can bring in the whole world's impoverised and support them all?

In light of the massive and constant influx of people into the state, we cannot afford to keep building extremely expensive schools. The whole purpose of this is for the cheap labor and it's working - wages for Americans are dropping and too many Americans are suffering to keep proposing bigger and bigger taxes for them.
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Old 02-20-2011, 03:58 PM
 
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Money - especially that confiscated from the working productive people - to throw at a problem simply is not the answer to everything.

The more you give, the more millions impoverished and needy come pouring over the border. This is too major a population increase for the fewer and fewer taxpayers to keep propped up. What do you propose? Taxing people 100% of their hard-earned money so we can bring in the whole world's impoverised and support them all?

In light of the massive and constant influx of people into the state, we cannot afford to keep building extremely expensive schools. The whole purpose of this is for the cheap labor and it's working - wages for Americans are dropping and too many Americans are suffering to keep proposing bigger and bigger taxes for them.
Get a clue. We are 35th in spending per pupil in the nation already Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is against the tos
Firing teachers will do nothing to mitigate the immigration problem. The prospective immigrants and their children, will not be like, "oh my classroom is larger and the educational system is less effective so I'm going to go back to (insert country here)."

Instead of giving these students the best education possible, and helping them to become productive members of society, we are going to ensure that our state continues producing graduates who are unqualified to do anything but menial labor. Not very smart!

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Old 02-20-2011, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Austin Bound
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Money - especially that confiscated from the working productive people - to throw at a problem simply is not the answer to everything.

The more you give, the more millions impoverished and needy come pouring over the border. This is too major a population increase for the fewer and fewer taxpayers to keep propped up. What do you propose? Taxing people 100% of their hard-earned money so we can bring in the whole world's impoverised and support them all?

In light of the massive and constant influx of people into the state, we cannot afford to keep building extremely expensive schools. The whole purpose of this is for the cheap labor and it's working - wages for Americans are dropping and too many Americans are suffering to keep proposing bigger and bigger taxes for them.
Someone always brings up immigration as a reason to decimate schools.

How come there seems to be plenty of money for things that aren't education? $31M of taxpayer money for the Super Bowl, for instance, without a good documented ROI. And millions in tax breaks to corporations who are supposed to use that money to create U.S. jobs but the outcomes have been disappointing, thus making it a poor investment, too.
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Old 02-20-2011, 04:13 PM
 
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Blue states didn't suffer being a conquered nation which was oppressed & impoverished well into the 20th Century. But those red states' choices early on are their own fault for that.

It would've been nice if many of the southern red states had a better economic base to work with from the getgo in modern times.

Again, demographics can play a VERY large part in the quality of the urban education.
Much money is thrown at the large urban districts in said blue states & DC, yet they have some of the very worst results.

The poor in those blue urban areas tend to vote democratic because of the false assumption that the "Great Society" handouts will elevate them.

But it is interesting to note that recently the better the masses educate themselves about what the government is doing to them, the more they are turning towards conservatism.

Witness the decline in the % of American workers who belong to trade unions in private industry, then look at the increase of government workers belonging to unions. What does that tell us?
First, I agree with you that demographics play an influence in scores from state to state, but how do you explain the superior performance of CA students over TX students given the similar demographics. For that matter, why is CA better at everything than we are (patents, # of good universities)? There are policy differences that could account for this.

To simply cut funding from giving many of these minority groups a better chance at a better life is not only cruel, but it is stupid. Unless of course you believe that every member of an ethnic/racial group is hopeless. That is not only incorrect, but of course also racist as well. My point is that this will only make this problem of poor performing minority groups worse.

If you want someone to blame for the change in demographics, why don't you blame private industry who are providing these people jobs and looking the other way as to their legal status because they profit from it? If nobody was offering them jobs,then no one would be coming over here. That is not the government's fault.

Republicans have had solid control of this state since 1995. No Democrat has won a statewide race since then. While I agree the federal government could do a better job with border patrol, you know that most Republicans in this state only talk tough about immigration because they are going to let their big business campaign contributors do whatever they want in the long run.
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Old 02-20-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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Get a clue. We are 35th in spending per pupil in the nation already Moderator cut: link removed, linking to competitor sites is against the tos

Firing teachers will do nothing to mitigate the immigration problem. The prospective immigrants and their children, will not be like, "oh my classroom is larger and the educational system is less effective so I'm going to go back to (insert country here)."

Instead of giving these students the best education possible, and helping them to become productive members of society, we are going to ensure that our state continues producing graduates who are unqualified to do anything but menial labor. Not very smart!
note that our education spending in texas per pupil is higher than most developed countries whose education rankings are higher than ours.

I dont know what the problem is, but Im skeptical that it is money. Most likely it is leadership. Leadership to help parents understand how important it is so that they actually help their kids to learn.

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